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cladking Wrote:
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> The first few courses are irrelevant. Even
> building 80' tall ramps is quite easy so the first
> 80' is irrelevant. But 80' defines a mastaba NOT
> A 480' PYRAMID.

A ramp 80ft tall, in G1's case for example, would get you 50% of the total volume of the pyramid and also bring you to the floor of the QC and its passage which was most certainly the beginning of a change in work flow and methods.

> Are you suggesting then the this tower was somehow
> part of a lifting device?

Not sure where you get that from, but no, though others have.

> You are assuming this tower was built first
> independently of the rest of the pyramid.

In the case of Meidum and Djoser's pyramid at the very least, no, this is not an assumption. Given as I have shown numerous times now that all exposed pyrmaids have stepped tower cores of some kind it stands to reason this would apply to all.

> This is
> entirely possible but there are two problems with
> this scenario. First is that we lack evidence for
> this

Meidum and Djoser are direct evidence with the rest implied. Rigano identifies of the 30 OK pyramids, the 22 that have some kind of exposure to their cores are all stepped.

> and second is that building a tower is orders
> of magnitude more difficult than merely building
> the stepped pyramids we know they built.

This is nonsense. You literally just made this up to be argumentative to preserve your 5 stepped theory for G1. As with Meidum, for example, the towers did have steps, just not as you envision, but regardless, as discussed at lenght before with other fresh thinkers who could not grasp the concept, whether a tower core or a stepped core make no difference.

> Perhaps the tower core served some other function
> like providing structural integrity and/ or it was
> built concurrently with the steps because this was
> far easier.

Rigano suggests they were made this way to accurately maintain the lines for the apex.

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In summary, it seems probable that the architects and builders of later Old Kingdom pyramids used and improved on methods that had proven to be successful in early pyramids. They found that a stepped interior would improve building efficiency by permitting the use of inferior, unfinished and less labor-intensive core material. The size and shape of the interior step pyramid did not have to be finely controlled since it would be hidden. Building the interior step pyramid first, while possibly not the most efficient method, did provide a means for marking the apex and providing control of the true pyramid shape.

I think there is more to it than that, but interesting.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12-Apr-20 14:47 by Thanos5150.

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Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 74 cladking 09-Apr-20 13:50
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 75 Thanos5150 09-Apr-20 15:59
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 91 cladking 09-Apr-20 16:10
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Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 75 cladking 10-Apr-20 14:10
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Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 72 Thanos5150 11-Apr-20 16:31
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