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Manu Wrote:
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> Finally, the Old Kingdom Pyramid Texts do in fact
> mention the word "ramp" in its verbal form and I
> have posted this before. The same word is
> mentioned in pAnastasi, which I also posted in the
> past. In Hieroglyphic the word is st3w and
> in fact in the example from PT 390, you can get a
> feel for what that word meant to an ancient
> Egyptian...it was a noun related to the verb
> "drag", sth3. Such a noun in English might
> be construed to say "dragart" for example, like
> the word "rampart". In this line, the verb form
> used is the stative which in the context of the
> spell here is a command for Seth to be face down
> on the ground and "be dragged" like a snake. This
> is the context which well establishes that ramps
> were in fact used to drag things on them. This is
> crucial textual evidence needed in this debate and
> so I post this here again.
>

As you know I believe Egyptology has been rushing headlong directly away from the truth for several decades now. You've suggested previously that the word "Rosteau" in utterance #300 means "Mouth of Ramps" And some Egyptologists even believe it means "Place of Ramps". But in the past it was translated as "Mouth of Caves" which makes sense whereas "ramps" do not and are not otherwise mentioned in "cultural context" and do not exist in the physical evidence as positively used for construction. I'd remind everyone there is no God of ramps and no stone draggers anywhere in evidence. There is no reason to believe this new translation is any better than the old one while there are caves and caverns all over Giza and there are caverns mentioned in the cultural context (see utt 581 and much of the Coffin Texts). "Ramps" are a late addition that didn't exist before the mid 1950's. In light of the fact that 70 years of much more modern science has scored a giant goose egg in solving how these were built I believe we can safely say it's entirely possible they have it wrong and the old translation was better.

As far as utterance 390 let's forget for a moment that this makes perfect sense to me and just look at the translation;

685a. Art thou Horus? A face is upon thee; thou shalt be set on thy head.
685b. Art thou Set? A face is upon thee; thou shalt be laid on thy back.

Thou shalt be laid on thy ramp????? There's no flow here and no possible sense. Of course no one expects the ancient writing to make any sense but come on! The words had to have SOME meaning. If translations just keep changing willy nilly there's never going to be any meaning.

I'd also note they had a perfectly good logogram for "ramp" so why is it unattested? Indeed, there were two logograms for "ramp" and neither is used. So why should a retranslation that doesn't fit in context carry any weight at all?

At the rate things are going Allen will have found "Gods of Ramps" "Draggers of Stones on Ramps" and "Builders of Ramps" in another ten years and then it will be case closed; they mustta used ramps. Of course you'll need a degree in Egyptology by that time to even read the translations of the tomb titles.

Sorry but I'm not impressed by the continual rewriting of history and the reinterpretation of evidence.

There is no physical evidence to support ramps and there is no cultural context to support ramps. At least these don't exist except as reinterpretation, retranslation, and rewriting of what was known 100 years ago as new testing has either been in abeyance for forty years or is simply not being released to Peers et al.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06-Apr-20 00:50 by cladking.

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Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 634 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 02:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 119 seasmith 05-Apr-20 04:18
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 101 thinkitover 05-Apr-20 11:08
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 93 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:26
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 84 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 99 cladking 05-Apr-20 13:54
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 88 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 77 cladking 06-Apr-20 03:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 87 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 04:21
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 71 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 62 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 72 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 15:58
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 69 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 17:44
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 86 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 23:24
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 75 seasmith 07-Apr-20 03:01
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 77 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 78 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:59
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 87 Thanos5150 08-Apr-20 16:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 82 Eddie Larry 08-Apr-20 17:15
Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 77 cladking 09-Apr-20 13:50
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 77 Thanos5150 09-Apr-20 15:59
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 94 cladking 09-Apr-20 16:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 67 thinkitover 10-Apr-20 04:53
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 78 cladking 10-Apr-20 14:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 101 Thanos5150 10-Apr-20 22:42
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 73 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:23
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 78 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:48
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 74 Thanos5150 11-Apr-20 16:31
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 84 cladking 11-Apr-20 16:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 83 Thanos5150 20-Apr-20 04:02
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 113 Steve Clayton 20-Apr-20 21:06
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 83 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 88 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 93 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-20 15:44
. 74 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:50
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 81 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 21:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 73 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 05:19
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 69 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 18:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 72 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 20:07
Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 105 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:53
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 74 cladking 06-Apr-20 00:45
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 82 Manu 06-Apr-20 01:27
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 70 cladking 06-Apr-20 02:21
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 88 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-20 14:57
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 77 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 15:36
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 79 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:20
Stone Block Math 96 Manu 07-Apr-20 05:32
Re: Stone Block Math 80 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 18:12
Re: Stone Block Math 84 Manu 07-Apr-20 20:57
Re: Stone Block Math 70 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:35
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 89 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:00
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 80 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-20 18:14
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 79 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:10
Anastasi I vs the ADA 76 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 23:08
Re: Anastasi I vs the ADA 80 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:32
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 74 Steve Clayton 14-Apr-20 17:40


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