Date: March 08, 2020 05:24PM
Steve Clayton Wrote:
> These are not the kind of ramps I was bitching
> about. For all I know, they could have been
> disability ramps, leading into those structures. A
> promenade entrance? OK, they also served to help
> build the structures. There is evidence of ramps.
> Just not for G1 and G2. There was a downhill
> ramp/path reaching the backside of Kufu's Pyramid.
> They took block from what is known as the
> chocolate quarry, next to Kafreys Pyramid.
> Other than that, I have seen no evidence ramps
> were used in a spiral or switchback fashion.
>Steve, there is no evidence for a spiral ramp either exterior or interior, I completely agree. However, there is evidence for a ramp which led out of the Khufu quarry towards the west side of the growing pyramid. That ramp could have supported construction of the first few stone courses. The evidence for this ramp is indisputable, Steve. I think your model is very promising for what happened after this initial ramp's ability was exhausted. In fact, I think that the builders themselves came up against this very same decision. They had to decide whether to continue run a full-size ramp around to haul stones, or to run a ledge around wide enough to support another infra-structure and method along the lines of what you propose. They understood, as you have, that the human and material cost of the latter option meant the difference between success and failure to finish this monument in time for....(fill in your favorite reason).
>There is a good template for this from the First Dynasty published by Rinus Ormeling. Ormeling looked at the niched mastabas at Saqqara before the one from the reign of Horus-Den, when a stair-case to the burial chamber was first conceived. Why? Because the architect realized that your could save time by working simultaneously on the tumulus above and the apartments of the occupant below. What drove this innovation? Time pressure and the royal occupants' ever increasing desire to build ever more lavish mansions for the afterlife. This is the same general driver of what you have also picked up on here at Giza. This is a riddle of efficiency. My hunch is that course #35 is a major plot point in this story.
I agree with much here, as you have outlined. These current illustration(s) were born out of those who do not believe "water" was employed in the construction of the Giza Pyramids. I wanted to show, even without water, it could be done. Which in turn completely negates the need for Ramps.
A few years ago, I came to the realization, that there was more to the Khafre's Causeway, than what Egyptology proposed. They postulated it was built for a religious purpose. It may have served in that purpose, though only once the Pyramids were completed. Re purposed if you will. Why would you need two causeways, each of which is nearly 30 feet wide, for a religious ceremony. It struck me as a stretch in logic. Do we not go up and return on the same paths?
And, why is there a middle lower indentation, 5-6 feet wide? What purpose would that serve? I am mentioning all of this, because I believe the Causeway(s) are all at a 4.6 degree slope. Find me one which isn't. We spent months looking around at other Pyramids in Egypt, and they all have the same slope, 4.6 degrees. I applied that to Kufu's Causeway, and where it should end, argued it was not bent, and published that location here on GH. Low and behold, months later an Egyptian was arrested after finding the "straight" causeway beneath his? house. That's a fact. It was not hard to do. I simply used Google Earth, and plotted a line from his Temple, and where it would end, based on the 4.6 angle.
There are 29-30 foot walls surrounding G1 and G2. Why would they go to all that trouble? Well, Egyptologist say for a religious purpose. This is what they say, every time they have no logical answer... It had to do with their religion...
Those heavier blocks were placed using short ramps. Once they were in place, they switched over to smaller blocks. Smaller blocks which could be lifted quicker and in larger numbers. Why drag any block, when you have in place, the ability to use water and gravity. The same barges which carried the stone down the Nile, were constructed in such a fashion, to be waterproofed inside and out.
In comes the Water Funicular. [www.youtube.com]
If you have water, polished surfaces on the the Causeway, short pieces of rope between the barges, you do not need to drag stones up any hill. Now I am a little of topic, but those walls contained water, and there is evidence of that.
I have an abundance of drawings showing this, backed up by math, incline plains and the necessary size of each engineered barge to be used on a Funicular Causeway. It all fits like a glove. I did have a problem, attempting to use the causeway to lift the stones up the face of the Pyramids, thou that would not be required, as I have illustrated within this Topic. A Study of Ramps. I worked with Professors & Engineers to refine these ideas. Spent money, resolving these issues.
It is all feasible.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08-Mar-20 19:55 by Steve Clayton.