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There were likely, never any ramps running inside or outside on the faces of the Pyramids. They would be unproductive, labor intensive, and unnecessary in the construction of the Pyramid.
  


According to Franz Löhner, and his associates, you only need 50 men (per average size stone) to lift and pull it up the 51.5 degree face. His research was extensive.
[www.cheops-pyramide.ch]

Here I will add a few additional insights, and facts.

The distance using a spiral ramp system, inside or out, wrapping around the Pyramid would equal approximately 83% of a mile (4,380.89ft.) and/or (1.335k) kilometers. (One mile = 5280ft. or 1.6k) The face of this Pyramid, in surface length, is approximately 612 ft. or .186 kilometers, from bottom to top. 4,380 spiral footage length, div. by 612 ft. face surface length = 7.158. The face length is 14% of the spiral ramp theory. Basically, a little more than 7... (7.143) times as short in distance. This is based on a 5.7 grade degree angle, as proposed by the ramp Spiral enthusiast's.

For fact checkers, here are the measurements of the 22 spiral angle's ascending to the top. I use Sketchup in 3D, (to size) for my results. Those 22 angles measure:  689.03', 591.93',508.49',436.81', 374.72', 321.13', 257.86', 236.98', 192.23', 142.73', 122.61', 105.33', 90.48', 77.72', 57.03', 47.98', 37.88', 24.09', 20.69', 17.78', 15.27', & 13.12'.

The Pyramid face = 51.3 degrees, which is 9 times the spiral angle of 5.7 degrees. In that spiral proposal they use 8 men to transverse upwards. 8 men X 9 ( difference in angle) = 72 men.   Franz Löhner calculated only 50 men need to perform one single pull.  Additionally, with the ramp concept, if one group stops for any reason, the entire production line would likely grind to a halt.
 
As there are 22 corners to reach the top, the line grinds to a stop 22 times, lifting and turning each stone, at each end. They are on a time schedule. It's not because they consume 2-5 minutes in this realignment that causes an issue, it's because... this is happening all the time, all at different time intervals. The higher the build, the more frequent the entire line needs to stop, as the tunnels become shorter and shorter, and those ends approach faster and faster. Those on the last run, (short distance) would be stopping those on the first run, (long distance) time and time again. The last turn which happens in 15.27 feet, would be stopping all the men on the first run, 45 times, as they wait for the last 90 degree turn of each stone. Actually, it is worse than that, due to all the variable stoppages.

The stoppage becomes MANIFOLD. Now do you understand why the ramp proposal will not work. 45 times, grinding to a halt, and as we all should know,  it is more difficult to get the stone moving, than it is to keep it moving, ie, Newton.

By pulling the stones directly up the Pyramid face, you save on men required, as well as, the time required to reach a working level.  Using the straight method, the men could be standing on top utilizing all four sides, and/or, down at the base, where as, the spiral is a single line proposition. By working of top, you have the space, and a multitude of possibilities for moving stones up and on top. The entire project would never come to a halt, as it is multi-faceted. You only need 1/7th the men to accomplish the equivalent work, in 1/7th the amount of time. And,  that is based on the Spiral line never stopping... :)

Consider, it only required 100 men, alternately pulling the 2 stones directly up the Pyramids face. A simple track laying on the Pyramid's face, is all that was required. No building and removal of large ramps were necessary. In the illustration below, there is a two track systems, with ascending and descending platforms. There are also two depression in the ground for the platforms, making it possible, to be level with the approaching tracks. Greased tracks would dramatically reduce friction. Both platforms are connected with one or more ropes. Multiple ropes help to reduce friction and strain. As one is pulled to the top, the other descends to the bottom, acting as a counterbalance, to negate the weight of the carriage platforms.  When one platform with the two stones reaches the top, that skid is pulled off, while the other skid at the bottom is being reloaded. The illustrations below shows 100 men for two stones at once. An additional increase in production. This requires the rope(s) to make a 180 degree turn, if you want to have a counter balance. There is much debate concerning pulleys or the like. I will address that at the end of this proposal.







Note: the platform is not completely down in the depression, so you can view it.

Simple enough? The building could have been accomplished using only brute force. There are those who feel the ancients were not intelligent.

Everyone agrees they understood the usage of tracks. Continuing those tracts straight up the face of the Pyramid, is not a major leap in thinking. I personally believe they used additional components to aid in their endeavor. That could have been Water, Levers, Cranes, crude Pulleys, a capstan is a vertical-axled rotating machine developed for use on sailing ships to multiply the pulling force of seamen when hauling ropes, or other forms of time saving labor methods and equipment.  With men alone, only 1/7th were needed, and would achieve the same result, in 1/7th the amount of time. This works with dry land at the base, or with water contained within the wall, and barges carrying those stones up the Water Funicular Causeway, floating and around the base. I digress...

Only Stone Pullers? Fine, this should work for you, and may be all that was necessary. Did I convince anyone? Please chime in. I welcome your comments. If anyone what's a copy of the Sketchup file(s), I will supply. You can download Sketchup Viewer for free, which enables you to pan in and orbit, enabling different perspectives.

Oh, yes...An Egyptian Pulley?

Keep in mind, a water logged tree/palm would serve to make that 180 turn, while lubrication the rope with wet sap. The log is cheap, and easy to replace, once the ropes wear to deep. Just the same, below is evidence they used rope and made 180degree turnes.

Ref: [www.cheops-pyramide.ch] stone implements, so called bearing stones, found at Giza, that were part of an unknown device to pull or lower three parallel running ropes over an edge. Archaeologists think, that it was put into an oblique shaft or crane and used to lift or lower heavy weights. Franz Löhner, unlike some Egyptologists, doesn't think, that it could have been used in such a way. This shape of stone is not suited for a permanent heavy load. Neither stone nor the ropes could tolerate that kind of strain for long.

The above assumption, would need to be tested. What kind of stone? How long? Amount of heavy load?

Two stones were found. A pair. "This shape of stone is not suited for a permanent heavy load". OK, so they were not used for heavy loads, beyond their working capability.  Polished stone and grease reduces friction. The fact that two were found, lead me to this design possibility. You can be the judge, though here is clear evidence, they employed devices, which caused ropes to turn 180 degrees, using more than just one rope. With each additional rope the friction, and stress is cut in half. 

You are viewing only 1/2 of a block and tackle system. 




Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 14-Mar-20 00:33 by Steve Clayton.

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A Study in Ramps 1293 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 17:30
Re: A Study in Ramps 169 Manu 01-Mar-20 18:25
Re: A Study in Ramps 157 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 144 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 127 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:54
Re: A Study in Ramps 147 Warwick 01-Mar-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 129 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:11
Addendum 128 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 22:51
Re: Addendum 133 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:22
Re: Addendum 125 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:56
Re: Addendum 125 Manu 02-Mar-20 11:15
an observation 133 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:26
Re: an observation 126 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:38
Re: an observation 113 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:45
Re: an observation 116 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:52
Point of Order 117 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:56
Re: Point of Order 101 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:17
Re: Point of Order 115 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:37
You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 111 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:20
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 105 Warwick 03-Mar-20 05:40
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 99 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:08
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 97 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:45
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 103 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:54
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 71 cladking 11-May-20 14:33
Re: an observation 106 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:05
Re: an observation 98 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:56
Re: an observation 90 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:57
Re: an observation 94 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: an observation 90 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:58
One Last Try 100 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:04
20 % of 1.5 Million 99 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:06
I forgot 97 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:07
Re: One Last Try 99 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:18
Re: One Last Try 94 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:33
Re: One Last Try 93 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 19:33
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Re: One Last Try 96 Warwick 04-Mar-20 20:21
Re: One Last Try 92 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:57
Re: One Last Try 98 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:38
Re: It's Spring 91 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:13
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Re: One Last Try 93 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:56
Re: One Last Try 84 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:57
Re: One Last Try 87 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:54
Re: One Last Try 93 cladking 05-Mar-20 15:00
Re: an observation 104 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:36
Re: Addendum 103 SandyJesse 05-Mar-20 23:11
Re: Addendum 86 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:01
Re: Addendum 86 SandyJesse 07-Mar-20 23:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 125 cladking 01-Mar-20 22:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 115 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 03:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 92 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:47
Point of Order 101 Warwick 02-Mar-20 19:00
Re: Point of Order 92 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:05
Re: Point of Order 94 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:43
Re: Point of Order 91 cladking 03-Mar-20 02:20
Re: Point of Order 92 Warwick 03-Mar-20 04:32
Re: Point of Order 89 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:40
Re: Point of Order 86 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:14
Re: Point of Order 92 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:37
Re: Point of Order 89 Open mind 03-Mar-20 19:14
Re: Point of Order - O/T, sort of 92 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:52
Re: Point of Order 109 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:09
Re: Point of Order 97 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:27
Re: Point of Order 94 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:24
Re: Point of Order 97 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 19:44
Re: Point of Order 89 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 93 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 23:34
Re: Point of Order 102 cladking 04-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Point of Order 125 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 02:03
Re: Point of Order 92 engbren 04-Mar-20 12:46
Saw Palace Context Sign is pr wr. 115 Manu 04-Mar-20 13:12
Re: Point of Order 100 cladking 04-Mar-20 14:45
Re: Point of Order 107 Manu 04-Mar-20 14:49
Re: Point of Order 99 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:18
Re: Point of Order 93 Manu 04-Mar-20 17:36
Re: Point of Order 96 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Point of Order 94 cladking 07-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 86 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 19:57
Re: Point of Order 84 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:15
Re: Point of Order 85 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 18:29
Re: Point of Order 81 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:44
Re: Point of Order 116 cladking 04-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 104 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 16:23
Re: Point of Order 101 cladking 04-Mar-20 16:43
Re: Point of Order 91 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 17:38
Re: Point of Order 90 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Point of Order 95 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:47
Burn all the books!!! 84 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 99 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:02
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 85 Warwick 05-Mar-20 18:14
...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 87 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:53
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 82 Warwick 05-Mar-20 20:11
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 93 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:02
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 89 Warwick 05-Mar-20 21:42
Re: Point of Order 90 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:58
Re: Point of Order 84 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:48
Re: Point of Order 87 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:34
Re: Point of Order 86 cladking 06-Mar-20 19:31
Re: Point of Order 86 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 00:47
Re: Point of Order 78 cladking 07-Mar-20 01:24
Re: Point of Order 84 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 79 cladking 07-Mar-20 20:52
Re: Point of Order 91 Manu 06-Mar-20 20:31
Re: Point of Order 83 cladking 06-Mar-20 20:47
ST3W 91 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:16
Re: Point of Order 85 cladking 06-Mar-20 21:18
Ra-st3w 101 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:33
Re: Ra-st3w 95 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:08
Re: Ra-st3w 98 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:23
Re: Ra-st3w 89 cladking 09-Mar-20 03:18
Re: Point of Order 85 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 01:21
Re: Point of Order 88 Manu 08-Mar-20 17:24
Re: Point of Order 78 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 19:07
Re: Point of Order 81 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:21
Re: Point of Order 86 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Point of Order 80 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:01
Re: Point of Order 90 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 80 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 15:38
Re: Point of Order 74 cladking 09-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Point of Order 76 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 20:25
Re: Point of Order 89 Warwick 09-Mar-20 20:48
Re: Point of Order 88 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 83 Warwick 10-Mar-20 17:01
Re: Point of Order 84 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 20:41
Obvious to all?? 81 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:10
after all 80 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:14
Re: Obvious to all?? 72 cladking 11-Mar-20 18:12
Re: Obvious to all?? 97 Warwick 11-Mar-20 18:19
Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 86 Manu 08-Mar-20 19:28
think conduit 80 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:57
further reading 77 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:00
Re: Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 79 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:12
Re: Point of Order 82 cladking 08-Mar-20 14:32
Re: Point of Order 91 Manu 08-Mar-20 15:01
Re: Point of Order 83 cladking 08-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 88 Manu 08-Mar-20 16:03
Re: Point of Order 79 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:21
Re: Point of Order 92 Thanos5150 08-Mar-20 16:05
Re: Point of Order 79 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:28
Re: Point of Order 79 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:25
Re: Point of Order 83 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:49
Re: Point of Order 77 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 87 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:08
Re: Point of Order 80 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:16
Re: Point of Order 82 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:39
Re: Point of Order 82 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 91 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:44
Re: Point of Order 79 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:03
Re: Point of Order 77 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 81 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:09
Re: Point of Order 83 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 17:03
Re: Point of Order 79 cladking 05-Mar-20 17:52
A stupid question 91 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:55
Re: A stupid question 82 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:47
Re: A stupid question 92 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 17:49
Re: A stupid question 84 Warwick 07-Mar-20 19:14
Re: A stupid question 84 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 23:09
Re: A stupid question 78 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:41
Re: Point of Order 93 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:26
Re: Point of Order 81 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:07
Re: A Study in Ramps 91 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:29
Re: A Study in Ramps 87 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 80 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 18:12
Re: A Study in Ramps 104 Thanos5150 03-Mar-20 16:10
Re: A Study in Ramps 102 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 95 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 100 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:21
Sam Briefly changes Feet 88 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:27
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 83 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 87 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:12
Rollers and Rope 96 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 16:41
Re: Rollers and Rope 80 Open mind 04-Mar-20 16:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 86 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 22:22
Re: Rollers and Rope 87 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:25
Re: Rollers and Rope 81 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 15:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 85 Open mind 05-Mar-20 16:08
Re: Rollers and Rope 83 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:32
Re: Rollers and Rope 83 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:26
Re: Rollers and Rope 83 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:40
Re: Rollers and Rope 88 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 76 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:14
Re: Rollers and Rope 94 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 02:11
Re: Rollers and Rope 104 cladking 06-Mar-20 15:09
Re: Rollers and Rope 88 Open mind 07-Mar-20 01:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 86 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:37
Re: Rollers and Rope 82 Open mind 04-Mar-20 19:18
Re: Rollers and Rope 87 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 86 Open mind 04-Mar-20 21:29
Re: Rollers and Rope 92 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 81 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:24
Re: Rollers and Rope 82 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:31
Re: Rollers and Rope 89 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 97 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:03
Re: Rollers and Rope 84 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:46
Re: Rollers and Rope 87 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 21:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 96 Thanos5150 09-Mar-20 00:59
Re: Rollers and Rope 94 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 14:15
Re: Rollers and Rope 84 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 81 Open mind 09-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 88 Warwick 09-Mar-20 18:27
Re: Rollers and Rope 90 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:55
Re: Rollers and Rope 88 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:23
Re: Rollers and Rope 85 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 83 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:50
Re: Rollers and Rope 90 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 23:06
Re: Rollers and Rope 84 cladking 05-Mar-20 01:01
Re: Rollers and Rope 84 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 89 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 00:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 86 Open mind 05-Mar-20 00:52
Re: Rollers and Rope 86 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 16:04
Re: Rollers and Rope 88 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 89 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 19:10
Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 112 Manu 08-Mar-20 22:32
Re: Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 91 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 23:22
Re: A Study in Ramps 105 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 22:14
Re: A Study in Ramps 95 cladking 11-May-20 14:42
Re: A Study in Ramps 80 Steve Clayton 13-May-20 03:06
Re: A Study in Ramps 63 Hanslune 13-May-20 19:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 56 cladking 14-May-20 13:48
The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 56 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:22
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 53 cladking 15-May-20 14:34
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 58 Hanslune 15-May-20 15:25
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 61 cladking 15-May-20 17:46
...and he's off and running 78 Hanslune 16-May-20 17:12
Re: ...and he's off and running 56 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 18:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 55 Warwick 18-May-20 19:47
Re: ...and he's off and running 51 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 20:31
Re: ...and he's off and running 53 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:01
Re: ...and he's off and running 44 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:37
Re: ...and he's off and running 44 Warwick 21-May-20 17:28
Re: ...and he's off and running 57 cladking 18-May-20 20:58
Re: ...and he's off and running 50 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:16
Re: ...and he's off and running 43 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 00:06
Re: ...and he's off and running 52 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 16:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 49 Warwick 21-May-20 17:40
Re: ...and he's off and running 81 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 20:44
Re: ...and he's off and running 57 Warwick 22-May-20 02:53
Re: ...and he's off and running 54 Steve Clayton 27-May-20 23:04
Elementary 39 Warwick 28-May-20 16:56
Re: Elementary 40 cladking 28-May-20 20:36
Re: Elementary 44 Warwick 28-May-20 20:51
Walk Like an Egypt(ologist). 57 cladking 29-May-20 13:48
just saw this 35 Warwick 04-Jun-20 20:02
Re: just saw this 30 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:15
Re: Elementary 45 Steve Clayton 28-May-20 21:59
Re: Elementary 45 cladking 29-May-20 13:41
Re: Elementary 43 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 14:14
Re: Elementary 38 cladking 31-May-20 13:37
Re: Elementary 41 Steve Clayton 31-May-20 20:03
Re: Elementary 46 cladking 31-May-20 21:55
Our History is Writ in the Rainbow. 41 cladking 01-Jun-20 14:32
still avoiding the POINT 45 Warwick 01-Jun-20 18:46
Re: still avoiding the POINT 50 cladking 01-Jun-20 21:19
It was the BORG 36 Warwick 02-Jun-20 19:02
Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 52 cladking 03-Jun-20 01:10
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 34 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:35
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 50 cladking 03-Jun-20 19:11
Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 43 thinkitover 04-Jun-20 08:41
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 38 cladking 04-Jun-20 13:38
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 33 Warwick 04-Jun-20 17:28
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 41 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:37
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 33 Warwick 04-Jun-20 21:24
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 42 cladking 04-Jun-20 21:48
Re: still avoiding the POINT 37 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 16:37
Re: still avoiding the POINT 33 cladking 02-Jun-20 18:45
Re: still avoiding the POINT 32 Warwick 02-Jun-20 18:55
Re: still avoiding the POINT 37 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 20:42
Re: still avoiding the POINT 36 Warwick 02-Jun-20 21:11
Re: still avoiding the POINT 37 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 23:05
Doing your work for you 38 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:56
Re: Doing your work for you 35 Steve Clayton 04-Jun-20 02:12
Re: Doing your work for you 33 Warwick 04-Jun-20 18:03
Re: Doing your work for you 34 Steve Clayton 07-Jun-20 22:14
Re: Doing your work for you 43 Warwick 08-Jun-20 19:47
Re: still avoiding the POINT 48 SandyJesse 13-Jun-20 23:15
Re: still avoiding the POINT 52 Steve Clayton 14-Jun-20 23:19
Re: still avoiding the POINT 55 SandyJesse 18-Jun-20 22:49
Help!!!! 50 Warwick 21-May-20 17:33
Good luck Steve 52 Hanslune 18-May-20 21:55
Re: A Study in Ramps 62 cladking 14-May-20 13:57
Key words run through a database isn't research Cladking 51 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:51
Re: A Study in Ramps 73 LonelyAngel 14-May-20 16:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 61 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:56
Re: A Study in Ramps 51 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 21:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 55 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 57 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 01:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 57 Hanslune 19-May-20 14:45
Re: A Study in Ramps 58 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 16:07
Please, leave the windmills to Sam 58 Warwick 19-May-20 18:34
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 50 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 20:05
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 51 Warwick 19-May-20 20:55
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 59 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 21:33
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 56 cladking 20-May-20 02:47
Your lack of evidence isn't a problem you can put on others - its yours 56 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:58
Egyptology's Cultural Context 55 cladking 20-May-20 13:53
Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 51 Hanslune 20-May-20 15:43
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 52 cladking 20-May-20 17:17
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 52 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:02
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 53 Warwick 24-May-20 18:13
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 57 cladking 24-May-20 19:18
In normal conversation... 55 Warwick 24-May-20 19:52
Re: In normal conversation... 74 cladking 25-May-20 01:06
Another final word (waste of time) 74 Warwick 25-May-20 17:52
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 42 Hanslune 26-May-20 14:59
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 59 cladking 26-May-20 15:11
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 50 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 15:27
Long Live Ramps! 39 cladking 31-May-20 14:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 42 Warwick 20-May-20 18:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 56 cladking 20-May-20 20:37
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 46 Warwick 20-May-20 21:55
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 51 cladking 21-May-20 01:01
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 50 Warwick 21-May-20 17:17
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 46 Warwick 20-May-20 18:03
REALITY CHECK 61 Warwick 20-May-20 18:02
Re: REALITY CHECK 44 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:28
Re: REALITY CHECK 46 Warwick 20-May-20 22:04
Re: REALITY CHECK 44 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 23:53
Re: REALITY CHECK 44 Warwick 21-May-20 17:12
My boy Luke can eat 50 eggs. n/t 49 cladking 21-May-20 01:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 57 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:53
The trouble is.. 51 Warwick 20-May-20 18:09
Re: The trouble is.. 48 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:15
Re: The trouble is.. 47 Warwick 20-May-20 22:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 51 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 51 Warwick 20-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 48 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 57 SandyJesse 21-May-20 00:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 50 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 03:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 59 SandyJesse 21-May-20 04:17
Re: A Study in Ramps 51 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 14:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 57 cladking 21-May-20 14:37
Re: A Study in Ramps 53 cladking 21-May-20 14:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 58 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 15:38
there's the windmill 57 Warwick 21-May-20 17:05
Re: there's the windmill 61 cladking 22-May-20 13:24
Re: there's the windmill 47 Warwick 25-May-20 17:39
Re: there's the windmill 38 cladking 30-May-20 14:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 56 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 57 SandyJesse 21-May-20 15:47
Re: A Study in Ramps 62 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 16:09
Re: A Study in Ramps 55 Warwick 21-May-20 16:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 55 Warwick 21-May-20 17:44
Re: A Study in Ramps 51 Warwick 21-May-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 48 Warwick 21-May-20 16:40
Re: A Study in Ramps 53 Warwick 21-May-20 16:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 56 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:32
Re: A Study in Ramps 99 Thanos5150 23-May-20 00:00
Re: A Study in Ramps 58 Warwick 24-May-20 18:02
Re: A Study in Ramps 57 cladking 24-May-20 19:22
I've got an idea 55 Warwick 24-May-20 19:47
Re: I've got an idea 61 cladking 24-May-20 19:59
Re: I've got an idea 51 Warwick 25-May-20 17:30


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