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thinkitover Wrote:
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> I think cladking sounds like he's doing the
> "Dragons of Eden" thing that Carl Sagan taught us,
> sort of a conceit among atheist scientists that
> science saved them from superstition when of
> course we can find scientists who belong to faiths
> or sects or cults.

OK, I had to look that up;

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In the introduction Sagan presents his thesis – that "the mind ... [is] a consequence of its anatomy and physiology and nothing more" –
-wiki

Yes. Homo Sapiens were exactly and only a product of the anatomy of the brain and the 40,000 years of knowledge that was gained by the association of people trying to understand their external reality. This knowledge accumulated in language and was added to the way each brain operated. As more was learned everyone capable of learning it adapted his language toi reflect that learning.

But it's different now. We build models of our beliefs and use a symbolic and deconstructible language to think and communicate. Our "mind" isn't a reflection of the anatomy but a reflection of our beliefs formatted in a new language. We must "think" this way because language programs the brain. If we must compare sensory input to belief and deconstructable words to think then the anatomy of the brain (which is digital) is no longer congruent with our thought and language which are both analog. We still have parts of the brain operating digitally but these are parts (like the amygdala) with which we lack direct contact. We don't sense things like the medulla and communication is in only one direction even though the medulla probably communicates with the rest of the body.

The brain is infinitely adaptable and humans experienced the mother of all change 4000 years ago. Sagan's thinking is interesting here but I believe it misses the mark.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 716 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 17:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 163 cladking 04-Jan-20 19:37
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 122 thinkitover 04-Jan-20 23:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 107 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 00:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 124 cladking 05-Jan-20 02:39
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 97 Warwick 06-Jan-20 20:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 94 Warwick 06-Jan-20 21:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 76 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 83 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:30
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 68 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 88 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 70 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 76 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:33
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 68 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 18:37
Snap! :) 68 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:47
Re: Snap! :) 68 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:02
Re: Snap! :) 67 Warwick 08-Jan-20 19:14
Re: Snap! :) 78 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Snap! :) 59 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Snap! :) 59 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:38
Re: Snap! :) 60 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 65 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:50
Stop avoiding the questions Cladking 71 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:37
Oops made a mistake on the number of words for English 49 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:24
Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 69 thinkitover 15-Jan-20 06:12
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 57 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 49 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:38
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 55 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:25
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 55 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:38
...and Cladking runs off 46 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:52
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 59 Corpuscles 16-Jan-20 08:03
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 88 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:27
Get Comfortable. 67 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:50
It's simple all right 57 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:32
Hieroglyphs have never been translated but I make my own translations from those same fake translations?????? 51 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:56
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 43 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:54
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 55 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:27
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 47 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:01
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 54 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:56
making up dates 54 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 18:15
Re: making up dates 51 cladking 15-Jan-20 18:52
Re: making up dates 63 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:05
Re: making up dates 49 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:22
Re: making up dates 50 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:25
Re: making up dates 46 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:22
How to demonstrate that your ideas are based on stuff you made up - by Cladking 44 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:20
So ancient goofy language is all the same? 42 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:05
What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 65 thinkitover 09-Jan-20 01:33
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 64 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:07
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 69 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:16
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 54 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 67 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 60 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:09
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 72 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:14
Cladking avoiding the questions that destroys his assumptions 61 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:27
so, not just Egyptologists but, 64 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:23
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 58 cladking 14-Jan-20 20:26
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 62 Warwick 14-Jan-20 20:32
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 69 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:02
Projection 55 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:17
Re: Projection 44 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:51
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 52 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:52
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 60 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:49
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 47 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:33
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 44 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:17
No Gods means belief 45 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:59
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 56 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:34
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 61 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:36
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 55 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:57
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 68 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:07
It's a common fault 59 Warwick 18-Jan-20 21:01
Re: It's a common fault 62 Hanslune 19-Jan-20 00:12
Re: It's a common fault 57 cladking 20-Jan-20 03:14
Re: It's a common fault 47 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 03:42
Re: It's a common fault 68 Corpuscles 20-Jan-20 03:59
Re: It's a common fault 50 Sirfiroth 20-Jan-20 17:01
Re: It's a common fault 47 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:37
Re: It's a common fault 46 Warwick 20-Jan-20 17:21
Re: It's a common fault 48 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:30
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 51 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 61 cladking 08-Jan-20 22:04
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 57 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 51 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:25
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 61 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:44
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 57 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:01
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 81 cladking 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 64 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 64 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:48
Are you kidding us or what? 75 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:50
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 67 cladking 09-Jan-20 20:26
We know who we are talking too 74 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:42
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 60 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:36
sorry for the delay 68 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:16
Re: sorry for the delay 69 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:11
Sorry you are off topic 57 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 06:02
Re: sorry for the delay 55 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:28
Re: sorry for the delay 46 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:24
Re: sorry for the delay 53 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:59
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 69 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 82 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 71 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 82 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:29
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 99 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 04:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 94 seasmith 09-Jan-20 05:43
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 89 Warwick 20-Jan-20 19:22


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