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Hanslune Wrote:
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> Yeah for belief I would write 'Gods' which they
> did use - all you do is deny the existence of that
> word and pretend it isn't in the PT.

No...

The word "Gods" would represent a belief. It would be indicative that our belief that ancient people were highly superstitious is correct. But it is NOT a synonym for "belief". You can't say "I god that it's going to rain today". This makes no sense in any language.

Egyptologists believe the word they translate as "god" was an imaginary consciousness believed in by the great pyramid builders. The word they actually used was "neter" and this word is always translated as "god"; an imaginary consciousness. Egyptologists believe that they believed in many "gods" including "Tefnut", "Atum", and "Amun". But I don't believe this. Based on the literal meaning of what the pyramid builders wrote and how these words were used in context I believe we mistranslate the word "neter". It did not mean "god", it meant a natural phenomenon and the closest possible translation is "theory". Each "god" was really a different "natural phenomenon" and the word represented this "theory" in the sentence. Meaning was formatted differently than in our languages. "Theory" simply identified the subject of the sentence. No word was symbolic and this is why they had no reductionistic words, taxonomies, "beliefs" or "thoughts". These concepts are symbolic. They are abstractions and the language lacked the need or the ability to use symbolism. Amulets were representative. Words were representative. Ceremony and ritual were representative.

Ancient people didn't think like Egyptologists and this makes the "words of the gods"/ the "words of natural processes" impossible for Egyptologists to understand. Or more accurately it makes them impossible to translate and very difficult for modern people to understand. We must model the language to understand it because meaning is destroyed when it is parsed.

If you want to understand ANYTHING AT ALL IN THE COFFIN TEXTS it is absolutely mandatory you understand both the Pyramid Texts and how Egyptologists got everything wrong because the Coffin Texts is orders of magnitude more complex than the Pyramid texts. I understand very little of the CT and am not even certain what is in Ancient Language and what is in modern language. Some is obviously AL and some is obviously modern language. Most of it is indeterminate or a strange amalgam of both. Probably this amalgam was caused by modern language speakers who tried to translate AL which they partially understood so the result appears to be a mixture. Faulkner was not a very good translator compared to Sethe or the older ones and led Egyptology astray by introducing so many concepts and translations from the "book of the dead". But most of this material doesn't appear to have been translated before Faulkner in 1978. Some older translations were made but are even less available than Faulkner. His work is in three volumes and you can pay over $200 for them. The binding isn't excellent and the paper is already deteriorating because it is acidic. There are other issues besides just bad translation and bad formatting. The work is important in its own right but it is still riddled with problems. Obviously each of these so called spells have many sources in various coffins that were found before 1978 and since. These sources vary just like the PT. In the PT the similar utterances are actually identical in meaning. This probably doesn't apply to the CT. But just like the PT it is very poor methodology to interpret and translate it in terms of the "book of the dead" which was done.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 15-Jan-20 17:24 by cladking.

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The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 671 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 17:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 143 cladking 04-Jan-20 19:37
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 105 thinkitover 04-Jan-20 23:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 97 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 00:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 113 cladking 05-Jan-20 02:39
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 79 Warwick 06-Jan-20 20:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 76 Warwick 06-Jan-20 21:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 65 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 63 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:30
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 58 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 78 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 56 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 67 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:33
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 61 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 18:37
Snap! :) 60 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:47
Re: Snap! :) 58 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:02
Re: Snap! :) 52 Warwick 08-Jan-20 19:14
Re: Snap! :) 63 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Snap! :) 49 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Snap! :) 50 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:38
Re: Snap! :) 52 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 50 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:50
Stop avoiding the questions Cladking 63 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:37
Oops made a mistake on the number of words for English 42 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:24
Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 51 thinkitover 15-Jan-20 06:12
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 47 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 41 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:38
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 45 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:25
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 46 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:38
...and Cladking runs off 38 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:52
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 51 Corpuscles 16-Jan-20 08:03
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 76 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:27
Get Comfortable. 58 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:50
It's simple all right 46 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:32
Hieroglyphs have never been translated but I make my own translations from those same fake translations?????? 41 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:56
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 35 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:54
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 39 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:27
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 37 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:01
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 46 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:56
making up dates 44 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 18:15
Re: making up dates 41 cladking 15-Jan-20 18:52
Re: making up dates 45 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:05
Re: making up dates 41 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:22
Re: making up dates 41 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:25
Re: making up dates 38 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:22
How to demonstrate that your ideas are based on stuff you made up - by Cladking 36 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:20
So ancient goofy language is all the same? 34 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:05
What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 48 thinkitover 09-Jan-20 01:33
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 49 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:07
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 51 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:16
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 41 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 55 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 52 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:09
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 52 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:14
Cladking avoiding the questions that destroys his assumptions 53 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:27
so, not just Egyptologists but, 54 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:23
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 43 cladking 14-Jan-20 20:26
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 44 Warwick 14-Jan-20 20:32
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 53 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:02
Projection 41 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:17
Re: Projection 35 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:51
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 43 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:52
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 42 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:49
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 39 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:33
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 35 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:17
No Gods means belief 37 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:59
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 39 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:34
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 50 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:36
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 45 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:57
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 58 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:07
It's a common fault 46 Warwick 18-Jan-20 21:01
Re: It's a common fault 53 Hanslune 19-Jan-20 00:12
Re: It's a common fault 50 cladking 20-Jan-20 03:14
Re: It's a common fault 40 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 03:42
Re: It's a common fault 58 Corpuscles 20-Jan-20 03:59
Re: It's a common fault 40 Sirfiroth 20-Jan-20 17:01
Re: It's a common fault 39 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:37
Re: It's a common fault 32 Warwick 20-Jan-20 17:21
Re: It's a common fault 38 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:30
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 42 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 47 cladking 08-Jan-20 22:04
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 44 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 43 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:25
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 51 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:44
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 49 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:01
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 66 cladking 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 54 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 50 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:48
Are you kidding us or what? 59 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:50
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 55 cladking 09-Jan-20 20:26
We know who we are talking too 64 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:42
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 51 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:36
sorry for the delay 52 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:16
Re: sorry for the delay 59 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:11
Sorry you are off topic 48 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 06:02
Re: sorry for the delay 41 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:28
Re: sorry for the delay 38 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:24
Re: sorry for the delay 43 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:59
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 60 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 73 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 64 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 75 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:29
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 90 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 04:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 86 seasmith 09-Jan-20 05:43
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 69 Warwick 20-Jan-20 19:22


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