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Hanslune Wrote:
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> Answer the questions put to you Cladking

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition...

> > Not counting nouns there are barely 1000 words
> in
> > Ancient Language. There are a large number of
> > nouns and only a small percentage appear in the
> PT
> > and CT.
>
> You just made up those numbers, there is nothing
> called the 'Ancient Language".
>
> Answer the questions above as they will be
> repeated until you do.
>
> Example: the numbers are made up
>
> Modern English: 500,000 words
>
> Ancient Egyptian: 10,000 words
>
> Separate words in the PT: 1,000
>
> So what sort of mad logic tells you that part of a
> language that has maybe 1,000 words in it will
> contain all the words in modern language 500 times
> as large?
>
>
>
> What does this word mean?
>
> Explain please

Well, it's not as if I think cladking is using the right arguments to try to dispel notions about superstitious ancients (I'm not sure what the right argument would actually be or I'd be flinging it I suppose) but I'm not sure these are the right arguments to counter with either.

I think cladking sounds like he's doing the "Dragons of Eden" thing that Carl Sagan taught us, sort of a conceit among atheist scientists that science saved them from superstition when of course we can find scientists who belong to faiths or sects or cults.

I think cladking has a very good sense if even intuitively that religious writings might be something other than a bunch of pointless, superstitious rot, just as I like to think I have myself, even if they're not much good at face value. I personally think ancients Egyptians with mythical text must have often been making allusion to things like astronomy - enough of the Greek or Roman gods are planets that there'd be no shock there, right? - and had a tremendous gift for both hyperbole and breathless prose.

It occurs to me to at least try to point out that to try to paint an entire people with the same brush must be precarious at best. Does having three churches within five blocks of my home actually tell you that I subscribe to any of them?

For that matter, does indigenous people continuing to hand down folktales and oral traditions mean that anyone "in the know" interprets them in any "gospel" sense? The local tribe has a folk legend about "three sisters" which turn out to be a distinctive set of three peaks that served as an important geographic landmark for travelers. I don't know why that doesn't serve in itself as exemplary of the way some cultures see their own myths, and the sort of knowledge (rather than superstition) that goes into the creation of a myth.

I suppose for purposes of debate this eventually begs the question whether anyone anyone being so dismissive of cladking affords room for any ancient Egyptians or Greeks or Romans to have been atheists?

It also occurs to me ask that if - okay, say this language has only 1000 words in it - but if they were so deeply superstitious that religious ideas held such an incredible amount of sway in their societies, why wouldn't words like "faith" or "belief" be part of their limited lexicon?

Wouldn't it seem like if they were so deeply devout, words like that would be important enough to make it into their vocabulary?

Not that I think that will settle the matter, but maybe it does seem worth asking?



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 15-Jan-20 06:27 by thinkitover.

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The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 716 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 17:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 163 cladking 04-Jan-20 19:37
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 122 thinkitover 04-Jan-20 23:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 107 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 00:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 124 cladking 05-Jan-20 02:39
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 97 Warwick 06-Jan-20 20:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 93 Warwick 06-Jan-20 21:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 76 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 83 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:30
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 68 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 88 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 70 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 76 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:33
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 68 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 18:37
Snap! :) 68 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:47
Re: Snap! :) 68 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:02
Re: Snap! :) 67 Warwick 08-Jan-20 19:14
Re: Snap! :) 78 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Snap! :) 59 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Snap! :) 59 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:38
Re: Snap! :) 60 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 65 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:50
Stop avoiding the questions Cladking 71 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:37
Oops made a mistake on the number of words for English 49 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:24
Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 68 thinkitover 15-Jan-20 06:12
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 57 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 49 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:38
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 55 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:25
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 55 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:38
...and Cladking runs off 46 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:52
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 59 Corpuscles 16-Jan-20 08:03
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 88 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:27
Get Comfortable. 67 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:50
It's simple all right 57 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:32
Hieroglyphs have never been translated but I make my own translations from those same fake translations?????? 51 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:56
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 43 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:54
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 55 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:27
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 47 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:01
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 54 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:56
making up dates 54 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 18:15
Re: making up dates 51 cladking 15-Jan-20 18:52
Re: making up dates 63 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:05
Re: making up dates 49 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:22
Re: making up dates 50 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:25
Re: making up dates 46 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:22
How to demonstrate that your ideas are based on stuff you made up - by Cladking 44 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:20
So ancient goofy language is all the same? 42 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:05
What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 65 thinkitover 09-Jan-20 01:33
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 64 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:07
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 69 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:16
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 54 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 67 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 60 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:09
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 72 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:14
Cladking avoiding the questions that destroys his assumptions 61 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:27
so, not just Egyptologists but, 64 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:23
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 58 cladking 14-Jan-20 20:26
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 62 Warwick 14-Jan-20 20:32
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 69 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:02
Projection 55 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:17
Re: Projection 44 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:51
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 52 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:52
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 60 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:49
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 47 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:33
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 44 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:17
No Gods means belief 45 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:59
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 56 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:34
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 61 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:36
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 55 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:57
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 68 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:07
It's a common fault 59 Warwick 18-Jan-20 21:01
Re: It's a common fault 61 Hanslune 19-Jan-20 00:12
Re: It's a common fault 57 cladking 20-Jan-20 03:14
Re: It's a common fault 47 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 03:42
Re: It's a common fault 68 Corpuscles 20-Jan-20 03:59
Re: It's a common fault 50 Sirfiroth 20-Jan-20 17:01
Re: It's a common fault 47 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:37
Re: It's a common fault 46 Warwick 20-Jan-20 17:21
Re: It's a common fault 48 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:30
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 51 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 61 cladking 08-Jan-20 22:04
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 57 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 51 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:25
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 61 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:44
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 57 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:01
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 81 cladking 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 64 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 64 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:48
Are you kidding us or what? 75 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:50
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 67 cladking 09-Jan-20 20:26
We know who we are talking too 74 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:42
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 60 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:36
sorry for the delay 68 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:16
Re: sorry for the delay 69 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:11
Sorry you are off topic 57 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 06:02
Re: sorry for the delay 55 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:28
Re: sorry for the delay 46 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:24
Re: sorry for the delay 53 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:59
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 69 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 82 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 71 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 82 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:29
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 99 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 04:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 94 seasmith 09-Jan-20 05:43
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 89 Warwick 20-Jan-20 19:22


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