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cladking Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 didst summon cladking hence by uttering The R Word in bold font:
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> > (Note the large ramp leading to the
> temple)

Yes, I have seen these ramps before. Is someone offering support for Houdin on the sly here? :-)

> The Coffin Texts have long been known to date to
> as early as 2200 BC. Indeed a few of the so
> called spells in the CT are identical to some of
> the "incantation" in the Pyramid Texts so nothing
> here is in any way new though the fragments are
> interesting. The PT are believed to date back
> even before the invention of writing in 3200 BC so
> would have been well known to the great pyramid
> builders especially if you are correct in your
> assumptions that the Great Pyramid is a tomb and
> was built by highly superstitious people.
>
> You are obviously correct that the "book of the
> dead" is strictly religion and magic written by a
> moribund culture because there is amp0le writing
> to support such a notion. But there is nothing
> except "incantation" and "magic" to support the
> idea that the pyramid builders were identical or
> shared similar beliefs. Until such time as any
> of this writing is understood it follows that we
> don't really know what any of it means and can
> only say the writing resembles the writing of
> later people. There is no agreement among
> Egyptologists about the meaning or origin of a
> single "incantation" or any other writing of any
> sort of the era of great pyramid building. Even
> the Sumerian writing is very much open to
> interpretation.

Being we know they weren't really such a superstitious lot, my smart money would be on the Book of the Dead and the Pyramid Texts perhaps dealing with astronomical phenomena in much the same way that the stories cited and deciphered by engbren seem to. Robert Graves could make it work that way with Greek myths and it appears to work the same for Maya cosmology where planets descend to the Underworld, and so forth.

I mean, what's the point of having a cosmology if it isn't populated with cosmological objects, no matter what quaint ways ancient peoples found for expressing commentary on the activities of cosmological objects?

Beyond that, my opinion is probably that lots of things are "older than believed", math and astronomy being near the top of my list. A very interesting post nonetheless though, and nice pics - thanks, Thanos5150.

PS: Are we over the idea of Mentuhotep having had a pyramid situated just a short climb up that ramp? That's one of those things where I'd really like to hear what any holdouts have to say.

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The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 656 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 17:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 136 cladking 04-Jan-20 19:37
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 98 thinkitover 04-Jan-20 23:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 90 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 00:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 106 cladking 05-Jan-20 02:39
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 72 Warwick 06-Jan-20 20:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 70 Warwick 06-Jan-20 21:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 58 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 56 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:30
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 51 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 71 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 50 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 61 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:33
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 54 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 18:37
Snap! :) 53 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:47
Re: Snap! :) 50 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:02
Re: Snap! :) 46 Warwick 08-Jan-20 19:14
Re: Snap! :) 56 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Snap! :) 44 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Snap! :) 43 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:38
Re: Snap! :) 45 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 43 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:50
Stop avoiding the questions Cladking 57 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:37
Oops made a mistake on the number of words for English 35 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:24
Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 46 thinkitover 15-Jan-20 06:12
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 41 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 35 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:38
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 39 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:25
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 38 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:38
...and Cladking runs off 32 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:52
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 45 Corpuscles 16-Jan-20 08:03
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 71 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:27
Get Comfortable. 52 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:50
It's simple all right 40 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:32
Hieroglyphs have never been translated but I make my own translations from those same fake translations?????? 36 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:56
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 29 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:54
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 33 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:27
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 30 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:01
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 41 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:56
making up dates 39 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 18:15
Re: making up dates 36 cladking 15-Jan-20 18:52
Re: making up dates 40 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:05
Re: making up dates 34 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:22
Re: making up dates 35 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:25
Re: making up dates 32 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:22
How to demonstrate that your ideas are based on stuff you made up - by Cladking 30 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:20
So ancient goofy language is all the same? 28 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:05
What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 42 thinkitover 09-Jan-20 01:33
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 42 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:07
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 44 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:16
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 35 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 47 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 45 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:09
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 46 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:14
Cladking avoiding the questions that destroys his assumptions 46 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:27
so, not just Egyptologists but, 48 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:23
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 37 cladking 14-Jan-20 20:26
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 38 Warwick 14-Jan-20 20:32
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 48 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:02
Projection 35 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:17
Re: Projection 30 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:51
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 37 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:52
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 36 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:49
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 33 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:33
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 30 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:17
No Gods means belief 31 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:59
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 33 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:34
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 45 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:36
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 39 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:57
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 53 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:07
It's a common fault 40 Warwick 18-Jan-20 21:01
Re: It's a common fault 47 Hanslune 19-Jan-20 00:12
Re: It's a common fault 42 cladking 20-Jan-20 03:14
Re: It's a common fault 34 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 03:42
Re: It's a common fault 52 Corpuscles 20-Jan-20 03:59
Re: It's a common fault 33 Sirfiroth 20-Jan-20 17:01
Re: It's a common fault 34 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:37
Re: It's a common fault 26 Warwick 20-Jan-20 17:21
Re: It's a common fault 33 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:30
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 37 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 40 cladking 08-Jan-20 22:04
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 38 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 37 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:25
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 45 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:44
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 43 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:01
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 59 cladking 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 48 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 42 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:48
Are you kidding us or what? 52 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:50
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 48 cladking 09-Jan-20 20:26
We know who we are talking too 56 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:42
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 44 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:36
sorry for the delay 45 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:16
Re: sorry for the delay 53 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:11
Sorry you are off topic 42 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 06:02
Re: sorry for the delay 35 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:28
Re: sorry for the delay 32 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:24
Re: sorry for the delay 38 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:59
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 53 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 67 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 57 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 68 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:29
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 83 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 04:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 79 seasmith 09-Jan-20 05:43
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 63 Warwick 20-Jan-20 19:22


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