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cladking Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 didst summon cladking hence by uttering The R Word in bold font:
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> > (Note the large ramp leading to the
> temple)

Yes, I have seen these ramps before. Is someone offering support for Houdin on the sly here? :-)

> The Coffin Texts have long been known to date to
> as early as 2200 BC. Indeed a few of the so
> called spells in the CT are identical to some of
> the "incantation" in the Pyramid Texts so nothing
> here is in any way new though the fragments are
> interesting. The PT are believed to date back
> even before the invention of writing in 3200 BC so
> would have been well known to the great pyramid
> builders especially if you are correct in your
> assumptions that the Great Pyramid is a tomb and
> was built by highly superstitious people.
>
> You are obviously correct that the "book of the
> dead" is strictly religion and magic written by a
> moribund culture because there is amp0le writing
> to support such a notion. But there is nothing
> except "incantation" and "magic" to support the
> idea that the pyramid builders were identical or
> shared similar beliefs. Until such time as any
> of this writing is understood it follows that we
> don't really know what any of it means and can
> only say the writing resembles the writing of
> later people. There is no agreement among
> Egyptologists about the meaning or origin of a
> single "incantation" or any other writing of any
> sort of the era of great pyramid building. Even
> the Sumerian writing is very much open to
> interpretation.

Being we know they weren't really such a superstitious lot, my smart money would be on the Book of the Dead and the Pyramid Texts perhaps dealing with astronomical phenomena in much the same way that the stories cited and deciphered by engbren seem to. Robert Graves could make it work that way with Greek myths and it appears to work the same for Maya cosmology where planets descend to the Underworld, and so forth.

I mean, what's the point of having a cosmology if it isn't populated with cosmological objects, no matter what quaint ways ancient peoples found for expressing commentary on the activities of cosmological objects?

Beyond that, my opinion is probably that lots of things are "older than believed", math and astronomy being near the top of my list. A very interesting post nonetheless though, and nice pics - thanks, Thanos5150.

PS: Are we over the idea of Mentuhotep having had a pyramid situated just a short climb up that ramp? That's one of those things where I'd really like to hear what any holdouts have to say.

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The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 929 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 17:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 248 cladking 04-Jan-20 19:37
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 211 thinkitover 04-Jan-20 23:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 199 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 00:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 212 cladking 05-Jan-20 02:39
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 180 Warwick 06-Jan-20 20:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 175 Warwick 06-Jan-20 21:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 158 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 160 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:30
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 152 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 171 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 154 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 168 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:33
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 148 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 18:37
Snap! :) 149 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:47
Re: Snap! :) 154 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:02
Re: Snap! :) 146 Warwick 08-Jan-20 19:14
Re: Snap! :) 158 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Snap! :) 143 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Snap! :) 148 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:38
Re: Snap! :) 150 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 146 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:50
Stop avoiding the questions Cladking 157 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:37
Oops made a mistake on the number of words for English 128 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:24
Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 148 thinkitover 15-Jan-20 06:12
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 144 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 132 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:38
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 147 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:25
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 132 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:38
...and Cladking runs off 138 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:52
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 143 Corpuscles 16-Jan-20 08:03
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 224 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:27
Get Comfortable. 154 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:50
It's simple all right 136 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:32
Hieroglyphs have never been translated but I make my own translations from those same fake translations?????? 131 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:56
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 126 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:54
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 134 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:27
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 126 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:01
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 145 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:56
making up dates 134 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 18:15
Re: making up dates 138 cladking 15-Jan-20 18:52
Re: making up dates 142 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:05
Re: making up dates 132 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:22
Re: making up dates 126 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:25
Re: making up dates 124 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:22
How to demonstrate that your ideas are based on stuff you made up - by Cladking 126 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:20
So ancient goofy language is all the same? 128 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:05
What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 153 thinkitover 09-Jan-20 01:33
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 149 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:07
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 148 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:16
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 142 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 148 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 143 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:09
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 156 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:14
Cladking avoiding the questions that destroys his assumptions 158 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:27
so, not just Egyptologists but, 152 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:23
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 143 cladking 14-Jan-20 20:26
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 138 Warwick 14-Jan-20 20:32
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 145 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:02
Projection 140 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:17
Re: Projection 130 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:51
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 142 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:52
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 137 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:49
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 148 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:33
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 124 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:17
No Gods means belief 128 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:59
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 137 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:34
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 140 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:36
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 137 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:57
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 162 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:07
It's a common fault 141 Warwick 18-Jan-20 21:01
Re: It's a common fault 148 Hanslune 19-Jan-20 00:12
Re: It's a common fault 133 cladking 20-Jan-20 03:14
Re: It's a common fault 124 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 03:42
Re: It's a common fault 151 Corpuscles 20-Jan-20 03:59
Re: It's a common fault 135 Sirfiroth 20-Jan-20 17:01
Re: It's a common fault 127 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:37
Re: It's a common fault 130 Warwick 20-Jan-20 17:21
Re: It's a common fault 122 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:30
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 145 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 148 cladking 08-Jan-20 22:04
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 146 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 135 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:25
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 144 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:44
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 142 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:01
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 155 cladking 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 146 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 149 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:48
Are you kidding us or what? 153 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:50
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 145 cladking 09-Jan-20 20:26
We know who we are talking too 169 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:42
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 146 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:36
sorry for the delay 149 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:16
Re: sorry for the delay 151 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:11
Sorry you are off topic 150 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 06:02
Re: sorry for the delay 145 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:28
Re: sorry for the delay 122 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:24
Re: sorry for the delay 142 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:59
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 160 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 162 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 151 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 159 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:29
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 183 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 04:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 178 seasmith 09-Jan-20 05:43
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 192 Warwick 20-Jan-20 19:22


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