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Barbelo Wrote:
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> Fine.
>
> You claim that the limestone wall blocks at
> Sacsayhuaman are Artificial.
>
> I claim that these stones are Natural.
>
> The onus is on the claimant to prove his claim.
>
> So, there you go.
>
> The floor is yours.
>
> Prove it.

The proof is there to be discovered . Specialist science is slowly progressing toward confirmation.

What level of proof:
Is there a crime scene for the guilt to be established, "beyond all and any reasonable doubt"?
Is it a civil matter? Where the balance of probability points to most likely (> 50%)
Or , is it when finally Orthodoxy accepts, via consensus & peer review, sufficiently that it becomes an accepted theory?

The object of the thread was to bring to the forums attention a lengthy but clear lecture by a world leading specialist explaining actual science done on Tiwanaku and Pumapanku sites . The megalithic red sandstone foundations, the various gates, and the intriguing H blocks have been thoroughly analysed tested and found to be artificial. This is by someone who has developed the science of geopolymer to the point where it is rapidly replacing older technology and finding huge number of practical applications.

I was unaware of the Russian teams analysis of Sacsayhuaman. I am grateful for that information. The verdict is unclear and Davidovits does not offer opinion on that site because he has not done the analysis specifically.

I think it will take an entire new generation of Industrial Chemists, Geologists, and Archaeologists in order for the proof to be established. (I will be long gone then)
This will be retarded because to borrow your Barbelo statement: " won't gel with mainstreamers or alternatives".
The tourist industry at ancient sites and controlling bodies relies on maintaining the wow 'mystery factor'
The mainstreamers have committed to a group think , exclusive position.
The alternatives don't want a solution because that thwarts opportunity for all sorts of bizarre woo speculation .

I have learnt a great deal from the exercise. Thankyou all.
(Barbelo, the Tufa concept I think likely does possibly explain many intriguing sites (lots of walls Greece Japan etc) might be made of cut and shaped stuff like that?)

Some might in future choose or be prompted to consider whether known ancient cultures had the ability to soften stone or manufacture it and apply that possibility to the hours of musing. Then wonder whether that the most likely explanation, and does it solve many of the logistics and tool technology issues associated with such.

(eg Qorikancha - Much easier to mould a 4 ft straight bore hole in plastic artificial stone, than bore it with a copper and sand tube)

I think I missed a reply to poster 'WDK' - I am grateful for the info, but still trying to digest the material. I might make some later comment on that - soon

Meantime, Thank you all.
No dogmatic proof yet! - but it will come one day, imho.
Cheers



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12-Jan-20 20:59 by Corpuscles.

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Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 1733 Corpuscles 21-Dec-19 17:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 288 Open mind 22-Dec-19 02:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 256 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 05:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 227 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 174 thinkitover 23-Dec-19 10:05
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 284 ocka 22-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 217 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 18:01
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 212 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiahuanaco architect named 176 molder 23-Dec-19 22:16
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 180 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:44
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 174 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:47
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 164 Hanslune 25-Dec-19 01:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 214 Thanos5150 25-Dec-19 02:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 171 Hanslune 27-Dec-19 23:09
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 174 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 17:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 176 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 06:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 159 Merrell 29-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 159 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 20:31
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 171 Merrell 29-Dec-19 23:54
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 147 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:03
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 147 Merrell 01-Jan-20 10:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 143 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 153 Open mind 31-Dec-19 19:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 135 Merrell 31-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 169 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 138 Open mind 01-Jan-20 03:02
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 225 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 04:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 153 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 05:51
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 172 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 06:59
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 173 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 19:40
Basalt Pavers 152 Barbelo 01-Jan-20 21:33
Re: Basalt Pavers 155 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 23:01
Re: Basalt Pavers 146 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Basalt Pavers 161 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:42
Re: Basalt Pavers 147 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 06:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 161 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 02:17
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 178 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:03
Basalt Pillar 166 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 07:15
Re: Basalt Pillar 149 Open mind 02-Jan-20 15:43
Re: Basalt Pillar 228 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 19:06
Re: Basalt Pillar 157 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 186 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 18:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 181 Merrell 02-Jan-20 18:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 206 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 11:15
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 161 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 20:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 157 Merrell 03-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 152 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 23:23
Sacsayhuaman 162 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 02:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 161 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 03:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 156 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 03:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 156 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 05:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 200 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 11:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 148 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 151 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 20:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 139 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:55
Re: Sacsayhuaman 142 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 21:41
Re: Sacsayhuaman 146 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 23:40
Re: Sacsayhuaman 148 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:59
Re: Sacsayhuaman 142 Open mind 06-Jan-20 01:08
Re: Sacsayhuaman 138 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 02:29
Re: Sacsayhuaman 144 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 03:50
Re: Sacsayhuaman 139 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 04:29
Re: Sacsayhuaman 149 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 05:10
Re: Sacsayhuaman 156 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:47
Re: Sacsayhuaman 176 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 16:53
Re: Sacsayhuaman 145 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 19:06
The Limestone Puddle 137 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:27
Re: Sacsayhuaman 137 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 21:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 138 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 22:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 159 Thanos5150 07-Jan-20 17:01
Re: Sacsayhuaman 137 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:48
Re: Sacsayhuaman 140 Open mind 06-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 137 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 21:30
Re: Sacsayhuaman 134 Open mind 07-Jan-20 20:43
Re: Sacsayhuaman 132 Open mind 06-Jan-20 13:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 149 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 11:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 136 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 139 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 10:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 140 seasmith 06-Jan-20 14:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 134 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 20:46
Re: Sacsayhuaman 130 Open mind 06-Jan-20 16:41
Re: Sacsayhuaman 131 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:12
Re: Sacsayhuaman 138 Open mind 07-Jan-20 15:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 151 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:25
Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 137 Barbelo 07-Jan-20 23:51
Re: Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 153 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 01:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 134 Open mind 08-Jan-20 00:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 138 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 00:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 140 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 01:12
Re: Sacsayhuaman 129 Open mind 08-Jan-20 02:06
Re: Sacsayhuaman 136 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 03:20
Re: Sacsayhuaman 155 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 07:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 127 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 12:01
Re: Sacsayhuaman 133 Open mind 08-Jan-20 16:42
Re: Sacsayhuaman 132 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 18:24
Re: Sacsayhuaman 127 Open mind 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 130 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 21:44
LImestone vs Limestone 124 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 22:40
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 145 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 23:47
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 134 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 01:57
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 143 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:09
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 133 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 04:07
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 128 Open mind 09-Jan-20 16:06
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 119 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 20:49
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 120 Open mind 09-Jan-20 20:58
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 140 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 21:20
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 120 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:12
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 127 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 17:15
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 130 Open mind 09-Jan-20 15:25
Re:Sacsayhuaman 131 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 120 Open mind 10-Jan-20 13:15
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 246 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 14:34
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 118 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:47
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 127 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 117 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 112 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:00
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 146 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 01:44
Tombomachay 141 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 06:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 128 Barbelo 10-Jan-20 07:30
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 208 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 11:41
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 149 Barbelo 11-Jan-20 05:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 140 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 01:24
Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 139 Barbelo 12-Jan-20 12:11
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 144 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 20:56
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 159 Open mind 13-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Sacsayhuaman 124 Open mind 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 134 Open mind 08-Jan-20 14:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 130 Merrell 08-Jan-20 17:57
On the fence... 133 Racho 08-Jan-20 04:51
Re: On the fence... 132 Open mind 08-Jan-20 15:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 155 Merrell 04-Jan-20 09:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 145 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 09:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 151 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 140 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 00:34
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 125 Open mind 05-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 142 Open mind 02-Jan-20 03:37
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 147 Merrell 01-Jan-20 14:10
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 133 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 178 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 164 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:30
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 157 Open mind 22-Dec-19 22:12
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 160 WVK 23-Dec-19 15:21
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 147 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 147 Open mind 23-Dec-19 23:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 168 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 22:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 168 seasmith 23-Dec-19 03:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 162 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 07:20
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 160 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 09:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 151 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 177 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 164 Hanslune 24-Dec-19 22:35
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 230 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 19:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 230 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 243 Enigcom 02-Jan-20 17:29


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