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Barbelo Wrote:
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> Fine.
>
> You claim that the limestone wall blocks at
> Sacsayhuaman are Artificial.
>
> I claim that these stones are Natural.
>
> The onus is on the claimant to prove his claim.
>
> So, there you go.
>
> The floor is yours.
>
> Prove it.

The proof is there to be discovered . Specialist science is slowly progressing toward confirmation.

What level of proof:
Is there a crime scene for the guilt to be established, "beyond all and any reasonable doubt"?
Is it a civil matter? Where the balance of probability points to most likely (> 50%)
Or , is it when finally Orthodoxy accepts, via consensus & peer review, sufficiently that it becomes an accepted theory?

The object of the thread was to bring to the forums attention a lengthy but clear lecture by a world leading specialist explaining actual science done on Tiwanaku and Pumapanku sites . The megalithic red sandstone foundations, the various gates, and the intriguing H blocks have been thoroughly analysed tested and found to be artificial. This is by someone who has developed the science of geopolymer to the point where it is rapidly replacing older technology and finding huge number of practical applications.

I was unaware of the Russian teams analysis of Sacsayhuaman. I am grateful for that information. The verdict is unclear and Davidovits does not offer opinion on that site because he has not done the analysis specifically.

I think it will take an entire new generation of Industrial Chemists, Geologists, and Archaeologists in order for the proof to be established. (I will be long gone then)
This will be retarded because to borrow your Barbelo statement: " won't gel with mainstreamers or alternatives".
The tourist industry at ancient sites and controlling bodies relies on maintaining the wow 'mystery factor'
The mainstreamers have committed to a group think , exclusive position.
The alternatives don't want a solution because that thwarts opportunity for all sorts of bizarre woo speculation .

I have learnt a great deal from the exercise. Thankyou all.
(Barbelo, the Tufa concept I think likely does possibly explain many intriguing sites (lots of walls Greece Japan etc) might be made of cut and shaped stuff like that?)

Some might in future choose or be prompted to consider whether known ancient cultures had the ability to soften stone or manufacture it and apply that possibility to the hours of musing. Then wonder whether that the most likely explanation, and does it solve many of the logistics and tool technology issues associated with such.

(eg Qorikancha - Much easier to mould a 4 ft straight bore hole in plastic artificial stone, than bore it with a copper and sand tube)

I think I missed a reply to poster 'WDK' - I am grateful for the info, but still trying to digest the material. I might make some later comment on that - soon

Meantime, Thank you all.
No dogmatic proof yet! - but it will come one day, imho.
Cheers



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12-Jan-20 20:59 by Corpuscles.

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Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 1585 Corpuscles 21-Dec-19 17:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 218 Open mind 22-Dec-19 02:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 183 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 05:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 157 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 113 thinkitover 23-Dec-19 10:05
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 191 ocka 22-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 149 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 18:01
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 149 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiahuanaco architect named 112 molder 23-Dec-19 22:16
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 112 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:44
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 111 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:47
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 94 Hanslune 25-Dec-19 01:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 142 Thanos5150 25-Dec-19 02:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 106 Hanslune 27-Dec-19 23:09
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 102 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 17:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 112 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 06:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 96 Merrell 29-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 93 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 20:31
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 97 Merrell 29-Dec-19 23:54
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 81 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:03
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 79 Merrell 01-Jan-20 10:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 73 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 89 Open mind 31-Dec-19 19:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 73 Merrell 31-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 87 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 75 Open mind 01-Jan-20 03:02
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 118 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 04:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 83 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 05:51
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 99 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 06:59
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 92 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 19:40
Basalt Pavers 85 Barbelo 01-Jan-20 21:33
Re: Basalt Pavers 85 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 23:01
Re: Basalt Pavers 74 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Basalt Pavers 89 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:42
Re: Basalt Pavers 77 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 06:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 92 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 02:17
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 104 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:03
Basalt Pillar 99 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 07:15
Re: Basalt Pillar 80 Open mind 02-Jan-20 15:43
Re: Basalt Pillar 96 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 19:06
Re: Basalt Pillar 84 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 109 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 18:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 104 Merrell 02-Jan-20 18:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 140 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 11:15
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 91 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 20:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 82 Merrell 03-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 87 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 23:23
Sacsayhuaman 94 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 02:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 93 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 03:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 90 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 03:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 83 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 05:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 131 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 11:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 82 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 85 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 20:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 74 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:55
Re: Sacsayhuaman 76 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 21:41
Re: Sacsayhuaman 78 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 23:40
Re: Sacsayhuaman 79 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:59
Re: Sacsayhuaman 72 Open mind 06-Jan-20 01:08
Re: Sacsayhuaman 70 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 02:29
Re: Sacsayhuaman 79 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 03:50
Re: Sacsayhuaman 75 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 04:29
Re: Sacsayhuaman 86 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 05:10
Re: Sacsayhuaman 88 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:47
Re: Sacsayhuaman 94 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 16:53
Re: Sacsayhuaman 71 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 19:06
The Limestone Puddle 72 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:27
Re: Sacsayhuaman 76 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 21:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 76 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 22:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 89 Thanos5150 07-Jan-20 17:01
Re: Sacsayhuaman 70 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:48
Re: Sacsayhuaman 68 Open mind 06-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 75 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 21:30
Re: Sacsayhuaman 65 Open mind 07-Jan-20 20:43
Re: Sacsayhuaman 66 Open mind 06-Jan-20 13:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 76 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 11:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 73 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 72 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 10:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 75 seasmith 06-Jan-20 14:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 72 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 20:46
Re: Sacsayhuaman 67 Open mind 06-Jan-20 16:41
Re: Sacsayhuaman 69 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:12
Re: Sacsayhuaman 72 Open mind 07-Jan-20 15:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 83 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:25
Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 69 Barbelo 07-Jan-20 23:51
Re: Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 82 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 01:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 71 Open mind 08-Jan-20 00:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 72 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 00:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 74 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 01:12
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 71 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 03:20
Re: Sacsayhuaman 91 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 07:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 67 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 12:01
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 70 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 18:24
Re: Sacsayhuaman 62 Open mind 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 71 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 21:44
LImestone vs Limestone 65 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 22:40
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 79 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 23:47
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 72 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 01:57
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 78 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:09
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 79 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 04:07
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 66 Open mind 09-Jan-20 16:06
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 68 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 20:49
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 65 Open mind 09-Jan-20 20:58
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 82 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 21:20
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 64 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:12
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 76 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 17:15
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 68 Open mind 09-Jan-20 15:25
Re:Sacsayhuaman 61 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 62 Open mind 10-Jan-20 13:15
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 84 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 14:34
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 61 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:47
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 68 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 66 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 62 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:00
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 84 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 01:44
Tombomachay 80 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 06:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 74 Barbelo 10-Jan-20 07:30
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 136 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 11:41
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 84 Barbelo 11-Jan-20 05:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 76 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 01:24
Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 77 Barbelo 12-Jan-20 12:11
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 88 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 20:56
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 93 Open mind 13-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Sacsayhuaman 64 Open mind 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 71 Open mind 08-Jan-20 14:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 61 Merrell 08-Jan-20 17:57
On the fence... 73 Racho 08-Jan-20 04:51
Re: On the fence... 67 Open mind 08-Jan-20 15:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 84 Merrell 04-Jan-20 09:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 82 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 09:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 86 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 77 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 00:34
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 64 Open mind 05-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 78 Open mind 02-Jan-20 03:37
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 84 Merrell 01-Jan-20 14:10
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 77 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 117 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 105 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:30
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 98 Open mind 22-Dec-19 22:12
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 103 WVK 23-Dec-19 15:21
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 92 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 87 Open mind 23-Dec-19 23:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 110 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 22:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 106 seasmith 23-Dec-19 03:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 102 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 07:20
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 100 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 09:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 90 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 114 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 105 Hanslune 24-Dec-19 22:35
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 165 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 19:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 167 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 150 Enigcom 02-Jan-20 17:29


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