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Many interesting points.

Corpuscles Wrote:

"Limestone is not entirely a product of pressure..."

- Interesting that the softest, (marble), would be the most reliant on pressure, if that's what you were saying there. If so, its counter intuitive.

I'm in Canada btw, and spent many years rock climbing on our natural limestone escarpments, (which I just identified as dolomite), as well as many other places throughout North America. Even on my local harder version of limestone, the hand holds of popular routes become very polished and smooth just from hand friction. More so than any other rock I've climbed on, (including Granite, Sandstone, Basalt, volcanic tuff, quartz monzonite, etc.)

"Davidovits standard for limestone based geopolymer concrete is 90 MPA and he claims they have achieved 150 MPA."

- Is that modern man made today, or is that referring to ancient identified geopolymer megalithic limestone?

"In slabs they still sometimes put in steel reinforcement but Geopolymer has extraordinary tensile strength already"

- I realize, but for my cost efficiency presumptions, its probably cheaper to add rebar and less material to maintain tensile strength.

"You are touching on some areas which restricts many from accepting/ considering the possibility of geopolymer use by Ancients. "

- Good point. But coming from a perspective of the place holder term of 'magic stone softening', and reconsidering the geopolymer approach, strictly from the merits of the chemical analysis, I find the weakest part of geopolymer theory is the suggestion it was treated, produced, and worked with like modern day cement, and the remains don't support it to me, (lack of repeating patterns, simplistic brick shape vs polygonal, pillowed, etc.).

I get the impression people think the repeating pattern of a brick is some kind of advancement, but the brick is stupid easy. Its those polygonal shapes that's next level. If I judge the ancients from their polygonal systems, with the assumption they had a concrete system that lead to that, then they had to have spent a LONG time with bricks first before getting there, and I can't see enough of that progression evidence.

So with a mind to reverse engineering from what I see, if it WAS geopolymer manufactured rock, then there had to be some factor about it, that limited it to a very thick viscosity like clay at its loosest. At least then I could see the challenge with mold making because you can't force thick clay into complex shapes. It would be just easier to approach wall building as blobs with cleaned up faces. But then you gotta wonder about those knobs.

I don't know. Alot hurts the geopolymer idea if its presented as cement. I think that part of its association needs to be refined and clarified to more accurately reflect the actual archeological remains.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08-Jan-20 20:32 by Open mind.

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Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 1735 Corpuscles 21-Dec-19 17:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 290 Open mind 22-Dec-19 02:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 256 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 05:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 228 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 175 thinkitover 23-Dec-19 10:05
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 287 ocka 22-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 219 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 18:01
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 214 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiahuanaco architect named 177 molder 23-Dec-19 22:16
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 180 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:44
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 174 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:47
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 164 Hanslune 25-Dec-19 01:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 214 Thanos5150 25-Dec-19 02:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 172 Hanslune 27-Dec-19 23:09
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 175 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 17:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 176 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 06:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 160 Merrell 29-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 160 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 20:31
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 172 Merrell 29-Dec-19 23:54
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 148 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:03
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 147 Merrell 01-Jan-20 10:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 144 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 155 Open mind 31-Dec-19 19:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 137 Merrell 31-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 170 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 139 Open mind 01-Jan-20 03:02
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 228 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 04:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 153 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 05:51
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 174 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 06:59
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 174 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 19:40
Basalt Pavers 153 Barbelo 01-Jan-20 21:33
Re: Basalt Pavers 156 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 23:01
Re: Basalt Pavers 147 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Basalt Pavers 162 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:42
Re: Basalt Pavers 149 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 06:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 162 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 02:17
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 179 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:03
Basalt Pillar 167 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 07:15
Re: Basalt Pillar 151 Open mind 02-Jan-20 15:43
Re: Basalt Pillar 231 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 19:06
Re: Basalt Pillar 159 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 186 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 18:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 183 Merrell 02-Jan-20 18:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 208 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 11:15
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 161 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 20:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 158 Merrell 03-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 152 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 23:23
Sacsayhuaman 163 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 02:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 162 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 03:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 157 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 03:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 157 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 05:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 200 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 11:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 149 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 152 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 20:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 141 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:55
Re: Sacsayhuaman 144 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 21:41
Re: Sacsayhuaman 146 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 23:40
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 143 Open mind 06-Jan-20 01:08
Re: Sacsayhuaman 138 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 02:29
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 150 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 05:10
Re: Sacsayhuaman 157 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:47
Re: Sacsayhuaman 178 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 16:53
Re: Sacsayhuaman 147 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 19:06
The Limestone Puddle 138 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:27
Re: Sacsayhuaman 138 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 21:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 139 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 22:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 160 Thanos5150 07-Jan-20 17:01
Re: Sacsayhuaman 138 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:48
Re: Sacsayhuaman 142 Open mind 06-Jan-20 21:07
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 150 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 11:07
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 141 seasmith 06-Jan-20 14:28
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 140 Open mind 07-Jan-20 15:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 153 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:25
Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 138 Barbelo 07-Jan-20 23:51
Re: Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 155 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 01:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 135 Open mind 08-Jan-20 00:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 140 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 00:58
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LImestone vs Limestone 126 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 22:40
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 148 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 23:47
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 136 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 01:57
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 146 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:09
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 134 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 04:07
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 129 Open mind 09-Jan-20 16:06
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 119 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 20:49
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 120 Open mind 09-Jan-20 20:58
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 140 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 21:20
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 120 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:12
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 127 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 17:15
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 131 Open mind 09-Jan-20 15:25
Re:Sacsayhuaman 133 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 07:00
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Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 117 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:07
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Re: LImestone vs Limestone 146 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 01:44
Tombomachay 141 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 06:25
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Re: Limestone vs Limestone 151 Barbelo 11-Jan-20 05:25
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Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 140 Barbelo 12-Jan-20 12:11
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 145 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 20:56
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 160 Open mind 13-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Sacsayhuaman 125 Open mind 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 135 Open mind 08-Jan-20 14:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 132 Merrell 08-Jan-20 17:57
On the fence... 133 Racho 08-Jan-20 04:51
Re: On the fence... 134 Open mind 08-Jan-20 15:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 156 Merrell 04-Jan-20 09:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 146 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 09:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 151 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 141 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 00:34
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 126 Open mind 05-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 143 Open mind 02-Jan-20 03:37
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 148 Merrell 01-Jan-20 14:10
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 134 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 179 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 164 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:30
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 157 Open mind 22-Dec-19 22:12
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 162 WVK 23-Dec-19 15:21
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 147 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 148 Open mind 23-Dec-19 23:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 170 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 22:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 170 seasmith 23-Dec-19 03:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 163 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 07:20
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 162 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 09:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 154 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 178 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 165 Hanslune 24-Dec-19 22:35
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 233 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 19:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 232 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 244 Enigcom 02-Jan-20 17:29


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