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Corpuscles Wrote:

"Note the only andesite is in the renovated back fill. The structure is essentially reconstituted limestone, so no igneous component, derr…. despite dipstick comments in the thread."

I have had a hard time keeping straight which rock is which in the various sites around the world. I had thought for the longest time that Sacsayhuaman was igneous. And it was a nice convenient way to perceive the work simplistically segmented into pillow stones = igneous. Then you can oversimplify the 'magic' to being a material manipulation of the crystal structure totally uniformly, where as in limestone, if you only manipulate the crystalline content of that rock, then it will look different, like the core blocks of GP.

But its not that simple clearly.

Limestone is formed by pressure. And you can't melt it and reform it to appear the same like igneous might be able to. But to reconstitute it back into typical limestone hardness, you need to simulate that pressure somehow. Or, as the geopolymer theory suggests, that hardness is entirely based on the properties of the binder. A 'magic' binder of sorts, that survives thousands of years, so we're all vulnerable to the WOO moniker, to be fair.

So I guess my next big question to the geopolymer camp is this: Are you proposing that the ancients invented a compound from available sources that cures so hard as to simulate the hardness of natural rock, which by far outperforms most typical modern day concrete, even with the advantage of steel bar reinforcement inside?

If I consider the possibility that we can, at present, duplicate that binder performance, then I have to assume the reason why it hasn't taken over the global industry is because its so cost preventative a process to make. And that potential high cost is either because of extremely expensive and complex advanced processing plants to produce it, OR, that its constituent material components are rare enough to make it very costly to find and extract in large enough volumes.

And that cost calculation is also presumably taking into account the significantly reduced amount of material necessary, (as it so thoroughly outperforms regular concrete 1:1), while used in conjunction with rebar to give it every advantage, to duplicate the present day concrete performance industry standards. So even having to use far less of this material, its still financially infeasible.

If the answer to the above question is yes, then I have to assume you are open to the existence of a highly advanced ancient global civilization. Because building materials should be the spear tip of our best applications of the highest level of material science, and if we haven't even worked through the economies of scale to implement today, what they used all over the world in ancient times, then our present level of advancement pales in comparison.

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Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 1566 Corpuscles 21-Dec-19 17:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 212 Open mind 22-Dec-19 02:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 176 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 05:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 151 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 104 thinkitover 23-Dec-19 10:05
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 185 ocka 22-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 143 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 18:01
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 140 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiahuanaco architect named 104 molder 23-Dec-19 22:16
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 105 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:44
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 105 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:47
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 86 Hanslune 25-Dec-19 01:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 134 Thanos5150 25-Dec-19 02:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 99 Hanslune 27-Dec-19 23:09
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 93 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 17:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 103 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 06:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 90 Merrell 29-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 86 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 20:31
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 88 Merrell 29-Dec-19 23:54
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 73 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:03
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 71 Merrell 01-Jan-20 10:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 66 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 81 Open mind 31-Dec-19 19:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 66 Merrell 31-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 76 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 68 Open mind 01-Jan-20 03:02
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 110 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 04:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 76 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 05:51
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 94 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 06:59
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 83 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 19:40
Basalt Pavers 78 Barbelo 01-Jan-20 21:33
Re: Basalt Pavers 75 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 23:01
Re: Basalt Pavers 69 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Basalt Pavers 83 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:42
Re: Basalt Pavers 71 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 06:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 86 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 02:17
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 95 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:03
Basalt Pillar 92 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 07:15
Re: Basalt Pillar 74 Open mind 02-Jan-20 15:43
Re: Basalt Pillar 87 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 19:06
Re: Basalt Pillar 78 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 100 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 18:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 97 Merrell 02-Jan-20 18:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 133 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 11:15
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 83 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 20:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 75 Merrell 03-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 81 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 23:23
Sacsayhuaman 87 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 02:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 85 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 03:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 84 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 03:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 76 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 05:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 124 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 11:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 77 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 79 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 20:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 68 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:55
Re: Sacsayhuaman 69 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 21:41
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 74 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:59
Re: Sacsayhuaman 66 Open mind 06-Jan-20 01:08
Re: Sacsayhuaman 63 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 02:29
Re: Sacsayhuaman 71 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 03:50
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 79 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 05:10
Re: Sacsayhuaman 79 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:47
Re: Sacsayhuaman 84 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 16:53
Re: Sacsayhuaman 65 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 19:06
The Limestone Puddle 64 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:27
Re: Sacsayhuaman 71 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 21:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 68 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 22:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 82 Thanos5150 07-Jan-20 17:01
Re: Sacsayhuaman 61 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:48
Re: Sacsayhuaman 61 Open mind 06-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 71 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 21:30
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 58 Open mind 06-Jan-20 13:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 67 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 11:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 64 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 66 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 10:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 69 seasmith 06-Jan-20 14:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 66 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 20:46
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 63 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:12
Re: Sacsayhuaman 64 Open mind 07-Jan-20 15:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 77 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:25
Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 61 Barbelo 07-Jan-20 23:51
Re: Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 76 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 01:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 64 Open mind 08-Jan-20 00:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 65 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 00:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 64 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 01:12
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 65 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 03:20
Re: Sacsayhuaman 84 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 07:05
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Re: Sacsayhuaman 62 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 21:44
LImestone vs Limestone 58 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 22:40
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 73 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 23:47
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 65 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 01:57
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 71 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:09
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 73 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 04:07
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 59 Open mind 09-Jan-20 16:06
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 59 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 20:49
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 58 Open mind 09-Jan-20 20:58
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 76 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 21:20
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 59 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:12
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 69 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 17:15
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 60 Open mind 09-Jan-20 15:25
Re:Sacsayhuaman 54 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 52 Open mind 10-Jan-20 13:15
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 79 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 14:34
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Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 61 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 59 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 53 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:00
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 79 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 01:44
Tombomachay 72 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 06:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 67 Barbelo 10-Jan-20 07:30
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 114 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 11:41
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 75 Barbelo 11-Jan-20 05:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 70 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 01:24
Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 70 Barbelo 12-Jan-20 12:11
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 79 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 20:56
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 85 Open mind 13-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Sacsayhuaman 58 Open mind 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 63 Open mind 08-Jan-20 14:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 54 Merrell 08-Jan-20 17:57
On the fence... 67 Racho 08-Jan-20 04:51
Re: On the fence... 60 Open mind 08-Jan-20 15:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 79 Merrell 04-Jan-20 09:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 77 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 09:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 79 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 71 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 00:34
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 57 Open mind 05-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 71 Open mind 02-Jan-20 03:37
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 77 Merrell 01-Jan-20 14:10
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 70 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 111 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 98 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:30
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 92 Open mind 22-Dec-19 22:12
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 94 WVK 23-Dec-19 15:21
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 84 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 77 Open mind 23-Dec-19 23:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 103 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 22:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 98 seasmith 23-Dec-19 03:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 91 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 07:20
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 94 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 09:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 83 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 106 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 97 Hanslune 24-Dec-19 22:35
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 156 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 19:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 160 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 140 Enigcom 02-Jan-20 17:29


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