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Corpuscles Wrote:

"Note the only andesite is in the renovated back fill. The structure is essentially reconstituted limestone, so no igneous component, derr…. despite dipstick comments in the thread."

I have had a hard time keeping straight which rock is which in the various sites around the world. I had thought for the longest time that Sacsayhuaman was igneous. And it was a nice convenient way to perceive the work simplistically segmented into pillow stones = igneous. Then you can oversimplify the 'magic' to being a material manipulation of the crystal structure totally uniformly, where as in limestone, if you only manipulate the crystalline content of that rock, then it will look different, like the core blocks of GP.

But its not that simple clearly.

Limestone is formed by pressure. And you can't melt it and reform it to appear the same like igneous might be able to. But to reconstitute it back into typical limestone hardness, you need to simulate that pressure somehow. Or, as the geopolymer theory suggests, that hardness is entirely based on the properties of the binder. A 'magic' binder of sorts, that survives thousands of years, so we're all vulnerable to the WOO moniker, to be fair.

So I guess my next big question to the geopolymer camp is this: Are you proposing that the ancients invented a compound from available sources that cures so hard as to simulate the hardness of natural rock, which by far outperforms most typical modern day concrete, even with the advantage of steel bar reinforcement inside?

If I consider the possibility that we can, at present, duplicate that binder performance, then I have to assume the reason why it hasn't taken over the global industry is because its so cost preventative a process to make. And that potential high cost is either because of extremely expensive and complex advanced processing plants to produce it, OR, that its constituent material components are rare enough to make it very costly to find and extract in large enough volumes.

And that cost calculation is also presumably taking into account the significantly reduced amount of material necessary, (as it so thoroughly outperforms regular concrete 1:1), while used in conjunction with rebar to give it every advantage, to duplicate the present day concrete performance industry standards. So even having to use far less of this material, its still financially infeasible.

If the answer to the above question is yes, then I have to assume you are open to the existence of a highly advanced ancient global civilization. Because building materials should be the spear tip of our best applications of the highest level of material science, and if we haven't even worked through the economies of scale to implement today, what they used all over the world in ancient times, then our present level of advancement pales in comparison.

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Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 1480 Corpuscles 21-Dec-19 17:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 193 Open mind 22-Dec-19 02:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 153 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 05:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 133 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 91 thinkitover 23-Dec-19 10:05
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 155 ocka 22-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 125 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 18:01
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 122 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiahuanaco architect named 89 molder 23-Dec-19 22:16
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 90 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:44
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 87 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:47
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 73 Hanslune 25-Dec-19 01:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 112 Thanos5150 25-Dec-19 02:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 79 Hanslune 27-Dec-19 23:09
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 74 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 17:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 87 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 06:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 75 Merrell 29-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 74 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 20:31
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 72 Merrell 29-Dec-19 23:54
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 59 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:03
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 57 Merrell 01-Jan-20 10:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 47 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 65 Open mind 31-Dec-19 19:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 51 Merrell 31-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 62 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 55 Open mind 01-Jan-20 03:02
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 88 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 04:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 61 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 05:51
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 76 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 06:59
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 70 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 19:40
Basalt Pavers 64 Barbelo 01-Jan-20 21:33
Re: Basalt Pavers 58 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 23:01
Re: Basalt Pavers 52 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Basalt Pavers 64 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:42
Re: Basalt Pavers 56 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 06:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 69 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 02:17
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 73 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:03
Basalt Pillar 72 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 07:15
Re: Basalt Pillar 59 Open mind 02-Jan-20 15:43
Re: Basalt Pillar 63 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 19:06
Re: Basalt Pillar 60 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 74 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 18:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 77 Merrell 02-Jan-20 18:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 119 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 11:15
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 68 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 20:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 59 Merrell 03-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 64 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 23:23
Sacsayhuaman 73 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 02:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 71 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 03:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 67 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 03:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 61 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 05:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 110 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 11:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 60 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 63 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 20:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 52 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:55
Re: Sacsayhuaman 54 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 21:41
Re: Sacsayhuaman 57 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 23:40
Re: Sacsayhuaman 59 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:59
Re: Sacsayhuaman 48 Open mind 06-Jan-20 01:08
Re: Sacsayhuaman 50 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 02:29
Re: Sacsayhuaman 57 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 03:50
Re: Sacsayhuaman 55 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 04:29
Re: Sacsayhuaman 61 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 05:10
Re: Sacsayhuaman 59 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:47
Re: Sacsayhuaman 64 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 16:53
Re: Sacsayhuaman 48 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 19:06
The Limestone Puddle 50 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:27
Re: Sacsayhuaman 55 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 21:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 53 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 22:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 62 Thanos5150 07-Jan-20 17:01
Re: Sacsayhuaman 48 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:48
Re: Sacsayhuaman 46 Open mind 06-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 54 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 21:30
Re: Sacsayhuaman 42 Open mind 07-Jan-20 20:43
Re: Sacsayhuaman 46 Open mind 06-Jan-20 13:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 52 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 11:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 50 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 53 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 10:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 53 seasmith 06-Jan-20 14:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 50 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 20:46
Re: Sacsayhuaman 48 Open mind 06-Jan-20 16:41
Re: Sacsayhuaman 50 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:12
Re: Sacsayhuaman 50 Open mind 07-Jan-20 15:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 55 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:25
Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 48 Barbelo 07-Jan-20 23:51
Re: Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 58 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 01:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 49 Open mind 08-Jan-20 00:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 49 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 00:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 50 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 01:12
Re: Sacsayhuaman 45 Open mind 08-Jan-20 02:06
Re: Sacsayhuaman 52 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 03:20
Re: Sacsayhuaman 66 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 07:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 47 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 12:01
Re: Sacsayhuaman 43 Open mind 08-Jan-20 16:42
Re: Sacsayhuaman 49 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 18:24
Re: Sacsayhuaman 40 Open mind 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 48 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 21:44
LImestone vs Limestone 43 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 22:40
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 56 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 23:47
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 51 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 01:57
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 58 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:09
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 59 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 04:07
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 44 Open mind 09-Jan-20 16:06
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 46 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 20:49
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 43 Open mind 09-Jan-20 20:58
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 60 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 21:20
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 44 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:12
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 51 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 17:15
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 45 Open mind 09-Jan-20 15:25
Re:Sacsayhuaman 40 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 38 Open mind 10-Jan-20 13:15
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 61 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 14:34
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 39 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:47
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 45 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 47 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 40 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:00
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 63 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 01:44
Tombomachay 54 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 06:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 52 Barbelo 10-Jan-20 07:30
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 90 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 11:41
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 61 Barbelo 11-Jan-20 05:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 53 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 01:24
Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 54 Barbelo 12-Jan-20 12:11
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 59 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 20:56
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 64 Open mind 13-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Sacsayhuaman 43 Open mind 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 47 Open mind 08-Jan-20 14:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 40 Merrell 08-Jan-20 17:57
On the fence... 52 Racho 08-Jan-20 04:51
Re: On the fence... 45 Open mind 08-Jan-20 15:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 63 Merrell 04-Jan-20 09:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 62 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 09:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 62 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 56 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 00:34
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 42 Open mind 05-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 54 Open mind 02-Jan-20 03:37
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 62 Merrell 01-Jan-20 14:10
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 57 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 95 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 85 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:30
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 79 Open mind 22-Dec-19 22:12
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 73 WVK 23-Dec-19 15:21
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 70 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 64 Open mind 23-Dec-19 23:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 89 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 22:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 83 seasmith 23-Dec-19 03:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 78 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 07:20
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 79 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 09:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 70 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 89 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 84 Hanslune 24-Dec-19 22:35
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 140 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 19:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 146 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 111 Enigcom 02-Jan-20 17:29


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