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I added this paragraph towards the end of my article, right after the comments by Petrie about the Greek orguia:

'The Book of Acts was originally written in Koine Greek, defined as Alexandrian, Attic, Hellenistic or biblical Greek. “And sounded and found it twenty fathoms, and when they had gone a little further, they sounded again and found it fifteen fathoms.” (27:28) Fathom is translated from the Greek orguia. One of the definitions of orguia is outstretched arms, as is the definition of the old English derivative of fathom. A fathom is presently defined as six English feet, although a previous British Admiralty definition was 1/100 of a cable, or 1/1000 of a nautical mile, equal to 100 ancient Egyptian digits, or one orguia, or six Attic feet, or five remen, or 1/1000 of a minute of latitude.'

The standard definition of the ancient Greek orguia is outstretched arms or six Greek feet, but the context of this verse shows that it was also regarded as a fathom in the modern understanding of the word, and may suggest it was also regarded 'as understanding', or knowing, or plumbing the depths, another definition of 'fathom'.

I came across this verse while doing some research on fathoms after looking at de Lubicz' comments about the fathom being the arc of the 1/6 chord of the circle and how the arc has a pi/6, or .5236 relationship with the diameter of the circle. If we take the Greek foot as the arc, which would then give the orguia as the circumference, then 12.15 inches/.5236 = 23.2 inches/2 = 11.6 inches for the radius, which is pretty close to the Roman foot (or the Egyptian foot based on 16 remen digits), but not quite close enough, particularly since these measures are all interlocked by the ancient Egyptian digit.

I also looked again at some of the other things de Lubicz says, including some of his comments about volume:

"Among the things I have learned there are some that are more dangerous than beneficial to divulge, but it is not possible for me to discriminate in this matter, for the preparedness of each individual, which opens or seals his or her eyes, must be the sole judge." p.1

"In the preceding pages I have often alluded to volume in explaining, among other things, the 'intellegence of the heart' as a synthetic vision in volume, in maintaining that the first perceptible aspect of the Universe (the Creation) can only be spatial, and also in referring to volumes in connection with sound and harmony.

In contrast to how we arrive at volume (from the bottom up) by the supposed movement of point to line, line to plane, then plane to volume, the Ancients begin with volume, from which proceed their own definitions of surfaces (planes), edges (lines), and vertexes (points).

It is then essential that their calculation use volume as its starting point, their unity being this volume. This is difficult for us to gain access to through our mode of operating, for our scholarly method, with its imaginary elements, arises from a position opposite to that imposed by reality.

As a continuation of this study, we are going to indicate here the way to proceed in order to understand one of the profound meanings of the fractional system, and the importance of the fractions 2/3 and 1/3, so as to catch a glimpse of the simplicity of the means used for defining square and cube roots, all of which is founded on the principle of harmony. Since harmony is, by definition, the cosmic order, which, in breaking apart always and inevitably, through affinities, puts itself back in order once again, it was thus by obeying the laws of harmony that the pharaonic masters were able to establish a system that, while being particular, keeps its universal quality." p.250

"We have not found any mention in the history of ancient mathematics of the practical, simple, and rapid method for extracting cube roots as described here. It was inspired by Babylonian mathematics but results from the totality of our studies of the ancient methods." p.271

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Remen : Meridian 2621 Jim Alison 15-Nov-19 22:52
DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 323 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 17:55
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 312 DUNE 17-Nov-19 09:56
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 288 Jim Alison 17-Nov-19 23:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 291 PB Bytes 17-Nov-19 23:59
Found it! 331 PB Bytes 18-Nov-19 02:55
Re: Found it! 289 Mercurial 20-Nov-19 11:44
Re: Found it! 274 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:42
Squaring The Circle 301 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Nov-19 18:59
Re: Squaring The Circle 295 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Squaring The Circle 285 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:22
Remen references 310 Lee McGiffen 21-Nov-19 01:59
Re: Remen references 310 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 04:29
Re: Remen references 277 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 13:56
Re: Remen references 247 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 20:05
Re: Remen references 271 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 21:17
Re: Remen references 254 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 01:24
Re: Remen references 243 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 12:10
Re: Remen references 299 DUNE 25-Nov-19 13:17
Re: Remen references 212 Jim Alison 16-Jan-20 20:22
Drastic Geodetic Measures and Nippur Cubit 294 thinkitover 25-Nov-19 06:46
Re: Remen references 278 Jim Alison 26-Nov-19 08:04
Re: Remen references 311 Lee McGiffen 27-Nov-19 12:54
Re: Remen references 257 Mercurial 28-Nov-19 22:32
Re: Remen references 326 Jim Alison 01-Dec-19 06:15
Re: Squaring The Circle 320 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 00:47
Re: Squaring The Circle 267 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 02:32
Re: Squaring The Circle 258 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 05:20
Re: Squaring The Circle 336 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 06:26
Egyptian knowledge of √2 260 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:39
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 234 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 01:19
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 283 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 09:45
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 248 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 14:42
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 242 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 16:10
Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 263 geoffss 21-Nov-19 10:49
Re: Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 259 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 11:54
Re: Squaring The Circle 221 molder 20-Dec-19 12:45
Re: Found it! 294 Mercurial 22-Nov-19 06:48
Re: Found it! 259 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 12:01
Re: Found it! 255 PB Bytes 22-Nov-19 15:24
Re: Found it! 293 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 23:55
Re: Found it! 251 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 02:06
Re: Found it! 248 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 02:36
Re: Found it! 243 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Found it! 252 DUNE 23-Nov-19 18:42
Re: Found it! 235 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 19:37
Re: Found it! 253 DUNE 23-Nov-19 20:14
Re: Found it! 242 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:27
Re: Found it! 239 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:46
Re: Found it! 243 DUNE 23-Nov-19 21:37
Re: Found it! 245 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 21:55
Re: Found it! 246 DUNE 23-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Found it! 239 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 22:44
Re: Found it! 299 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:44
Re: Found it! 255 DUNE 24-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Found it! 259 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 18:34
Re: Found it! 246 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:59
Re: Found it! 243 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 19:55
Totally debunked 249 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 05:23
NOT Totally debunked 240 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 05:41
eg: NOT Totally debunked 256 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 06:12
Khufu <> Khafre 279 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 00:28
Re: Khufu <> Khafre 242 Mercurial 24-Nov-19 19:12
Khufu <> Khafre - Update 205 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Found it! 267 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:35
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 257 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 252 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:05
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 269 magisterchessmutt 20-Nov-19 00:27
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 253 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 15:34
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 253 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:49
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 257 DUNE 19-Nov-19 10:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 253 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:22
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 244 DUNE 19-Nov-19 15:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 246 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 00:44
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 265 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 16:43
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 251 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 01:07
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Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 250 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:28
Where is this leading? 258 PB Bytes 21-Nov-19 17:19
Re: Where is this leading? 269 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 268 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 18:00
Re: Remen : Meridian 270 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:09
Excellent! 278 thinkitover 16-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Excellent! 315 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Excellent! 298 Lee McGiffen 18-Nov-19 07:36
Re: Excellent! 294 Jim Alison 18-Nov-19 15:55
Re: Excellent! 273 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:57
Re: Remen : Meridian 267 Spiros 20-Nov-19 15:06
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Re: Remen : Meridian 257 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:24
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Re: Remen : Meridian 268 Spiros 20-Nov-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 261 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 23:40
The Earth number 330 hendrik dirker 21-Nov-19 05:48
Re: The Earth number 282 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 13:15
Re: The Earth number 277 molder 22-Nov-19 19:30
Re: The Earth number 251 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:44
Geometry as Metrology? 303 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 22:56
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 267 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 00:04
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 275 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 01:16
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 302 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:36
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 306 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 410 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 02:38
Re: Remen : Meridian 277 DavidK 11-Dec-19 23:26
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Re: Remen : Meridian 243 DavidK 13-Dec-19 11:07
Re: Earth circumference 302 drew 17-Dec-19 23:57
Re: Earth circumference 282 DavidK 18-Dec-19 11:29
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Re: Earth circumference 256 hendrik dirker 20-Dec-19 06:07
Re: Earth circumference 234 DavidK 20-Dec-19 13:27
Re: Earth circumference 222 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 12:48
Re: Earth circumference 236 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 20:48
Re: Earth circumference 236 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 11:44
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Re: Remen : Meridian 224 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 19:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 220 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 01:54
Re: Remen : Meridian 229 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 04:30
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Re: Remen : Meridian 212 Jim Alison 22-Dec-19 03:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 208 DavidK 22-Dec-19 10:30
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 219 molder 22-Dec-19 13:03
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 214 DavidK 22-Dec-19 15:01
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 219 magisterchessmutt 22-Dec-19 17:13
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 226 DavidK 22-Dec-19 17:32
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 219 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 05:23
Stecchini's Metrics 219 thinkitover 21-Dec-19 16:01
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Re: Stecchini's Metrics 223 thinkitover 24-Dec-19 15:06
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Re: Remen : Meridian 216 Jim Alison 11-Jan-20 03:53
Re: Remen : Meridian 207 DavidK 11-Jan-20 13:54
The Egyptian Remen 14.58333r inches 345 DavidK 11-Jan-20 16:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 211 Jim Alison 22-Jan-20 00:10
Re: Remen : Meridian 201 Mercurial 22-Jan-20 20:59
say hello to rodz? 229 DavidK 11-Jan-20 18:01
Re: say hello to rodz? 211 thinkitover 12-Jan-20 06:03
Re: say hello to rodz? 217 DavidK 12-Jan-20 12:45
Re: say hello to rodz? 291 thinkitover 13-Jan-20 06:41
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