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I added this paragraph towards the end of my article, right after the comments by Petrie about the Greek orguia:

'The Book of Acts was originally written in Koine Greek, defined as Alexandrian, Attic, Hellenistic or biblical Greek. “And sounded and found it twenty fathoms, and when they had gone a little further, they sounded again and found it fifteen fathoms.” (27:28) Fathom is translated from the Greek orguia. One of the definitions of orguia is outstretched arms, as is the definition of the old English derivative of fathom. A fathom is presently defined as six English feet, although a previous British Admiralty definition was 1/100 of a cable, or 1/1000 of a nautical mile, equal to 100 ancient Egyptian digits, or one orguia, or six Attic feet, or five remen, or 1/1000 of a minute of latitude.'

The standard definition of the ancient Greek orguia is outstretched arms or six Greek feet, but the context of this verse shows that it was also regarded as a fathom in the modern understanding of the word, and may suggest it was also regarded 'as understanding', or knowing, or plumbing the depths, another definition of 'fathom'.

I came across this verse while doing some research on fathoms after looking at de Lubicz' comments about the fathom being the arc of the 1/6 chord of the circle and how the arc has a pi/6, or .5236 relationship with the diameter of the circle. If we take the Greek foot as the arc, which would then give the orguia as the circumference, then 12.15 inches/.5236 = 23.2 inches/2 = 11.6 inches for the radius, which is pretty close to the Roman foot (or the Egyptian foot based on 16 remen digits), but not quite close enough, particularly since these measures are all interlocked by the ancient Egyptian digit.

I also looked again at some of the other things de Lubicz says, including some of his comments about volume:

"Among the things I have learned there are some that are more dangerous than beneficial to divulge, but it is not possible for me to discriminate in this matter, for the preparedness of each individual, which opens or seals his or her eyes, must be the sole judge." p.1

"In the preceding pages I have often alluded to volume in explaining, among other things, the 'intellegence of the heart' as a synthetic vision in volume, in maintaining that the first perceptible aspect of the Universe (the Creation) can only be spatial, and also in referring to volumes in connection with sound and harmony.

In contrast to how we arrive at volume (from the bottom up) by the supposed movement of point to line, line to plane, then plane to volume, the Ancients begin with volume, from which proceed their own definitions of surfaces (planes), edges (lines), and vertexes (points).

It is then essential that their calculation use volume as its starting point, their unity being this volume. This is difficult for us to gain access to through our mode of operating, for our scholarly method, with its imaginary elements, arises from a position opposite to that imposed by reality.

As a continuation of this study, we are going to indicate here the way to proceed in order to understand one of the profound meanings of the fractional system, and the importance of the fractions 2/3 and 1/3, so as to catch a glimpse of the simplicity of the means used for defining square and cube roots, all of which is founded on the principle of harmony. Since harmony is, by definition, the cosmic order, which, in breaking apart always and inevitably, through affinities, puts itself back in order once again, it was thus by obeying the laws of harmony that the pharaonic masters were able to establish a system that, while being particular, keeps its universal quality." p.250

"We have not found any mention in the history of ancient mathematics of the practical, simple, and rapid method for extracting cube roots as described here. It was inspired by Babylonian mathematics but results from the totality of our studies of the ancient methods." p.271

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Remen : Meridian 1972 Jim Alison 15-Nov-19 22:52
DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 154 Poster Boy 16-Nov-19 17:55
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 139 DUNE 17-Nov-19 09:56
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 114 Jim Alison 17-Nov-19 23:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 111 Poster Boy 17-Nov-19 23:59
Found it! 147 Poster Boy 18-Nov-19 02:55
Re: Found it! 113 Mercurial 20-Nov-19 11:44
Re: Found it! 100 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:42
Squaring The Circle 115 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Nov-19 18:59
Re: Squaring The Circle 113 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Squaring The Circle 112 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:22
Remen references 124 Lee McGiffen 21-Nov-19 01:59
Re: Remen references 125 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 04:29
Re: Remen references 97 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 13:56
Re: Remen references 74 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 20:05
Re: Remen references 92 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 21:17
Re: Remen references 77 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 01:24
Re: Remen references 78 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 12:10
Re: Remen references 105 DUNE 25-Nov-19 13:17
Re: Remen references 50 Jim Alison 16-Jan-20 20:22
Drastic Geodetic Measures and Nippur Cubit 93 thinkitover 25-Nov-19 06:46
Re: Remen references 96 Jim Alison 26-Nov-19 08:04
Re: Remen references 106 Lee McGiffen 27-Nov-19 12:54
Re: Remen references 82 Mercurial 28-Nov-19 22:32
Re: Remen references 109 Jim Alison 01-Dec-19 06:15
Re: Squaring The Circle 128 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 00:47
Re: Squaring The Circle 88 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 02:32
Re: Squaring The Circle 91 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 05:20
Re: Squaring The Circle 139 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 06:26
Egyptian knowledge of √2 92 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:39
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 76 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 01:19
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 101 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 09:45
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 81 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 14:42
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 76 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 16:10
Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 88 geoffss 21-Nov-19 10:49
Re: Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 83 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 11:54
Re: Squaring The Circle 48 molder 20-Dec-19 12:45
Re: Found it! 95 Mercurial 22-Nov-19 06:48
Re: Found it! 91 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 12:01
Re: Found it! 87 Poster Boy 22-Nov-19 15:24
Re: Found it! 95 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 23:55
Re: Found it! 79 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 02:06
Re: Found it! 79 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 02:36
Re: Found it! 79 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Found it! 86 DUNE 23-Nov-19 18:42
Re: Found it! 74 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 19:37
Re: Found it! 83 DUNE 23-Nov-19 20:14
Re: Found it! 74 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 20:27
Re: Found it! 75 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 20:46
Re: Found it! 80 DUNE 23-Nov-19 21:37
Re: Found it! 79 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 21:55
Re: Found it! 82 DUNE 23-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Found it! 75 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 22:44
Re: Found it! 109 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 17:44
Re: Found it! 79 DUNE 24-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Found it! 83 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 18:34
Re: Found it! 79 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 20:59
Re: Found it! 76 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 19:55
Totally debunked 80 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 05:23
NOT Totally debunked 76 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 05:41
eg: NOT Totally debunked 88 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 06:12
Khufu <> Khafre 96 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 00:28
Re: Khufu <> Khafre 72 Mercurial 24-Nov-19 19:12
Khufu <> Khafre - Update 35 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Found it! 95 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:35
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 95 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 85 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:05
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 90 magisterchessmutt 20-Nov-19 00:27
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 83 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 15:34
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 81 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:49
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 87 DUNE 19-Nov-19 10:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 80 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:22
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 82 DUNE 19-Nov-19 15:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 78 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 00:44
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 94 Poster Boy 19-Nov-19 16:43
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 81 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 01:07
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 98 Poster Boy 20-Nov-19 01:38
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 83 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:28
Where is this leading? 88 Poster Boy 21-Nov-19 17:19
Re: Where is this leading? 89 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 104 Poster Boy 16-Nov-19 18:00
Re: Remen : Meridian 101 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:09
Excellent! 106 thinkitover 16-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Excellent! 133 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Excellent! 106 Lee McGiffen 18-Nov-19 07:36
Re: Excellent! 108 Jim Alison 18-Nov-19 15:55
Re: Excellent! 103 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:57
Re: Remen : Meridian 95 Spiros 20-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 86 Spiros 20-Nov-19 19:28
Re: Remen : Meridian 86 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 78 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:25
Re: Remen : Meridian 101 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 85 Spiros 20-Nov-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 93 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 23:40
The Earth number 142 hendrik dirker 21-Nov-19 05:48
Re: The Earth number 121 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 13:15
Re: The Earth number 102 molder 22-Nov-19 19:30
Re: The Earth number 83 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:44
Geometry as Metrology? 102 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 22:56
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 91 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 00:04
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 96 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 01:16
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 102 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:36
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 127 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 132 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 02:38
Re: Remen : Meridian 92 DavidK 11-Dec-19 23:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 78 DavidK 12-Dec-19 13:23
Re: Remen : Meridian 68 thinkitover 12-Dec-19 18:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 80 DavidK 12-Dec-19 21:27
Re: Remen : Meridian 60 Jiri Mruzek 13-Dec-19 00:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 57 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 60 Jim Alison 13-Dec-19 03:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 60 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 04:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 60 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 05:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 62 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 61 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:15
Re: Remen : Meridian 54 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 11:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 72 DavidK 13-Dec-19 11:07
Re: Earth circumference 80 drew 17-Dec-19 23:57
Re: Earth circumference 81 DavidK 18-Dec-19 11:29
Re: Earth circumference 85 drew 20-Dec-19 00:22
Re: Earth circumference 71 hendrik dirker 20-Dec-19 06:07
Re: Earth circumference 69 DavidK 20-Dec-19 13:27
Re: Earth circumference 52 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 12:48
Re: Earth circumference 62 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 20:48
Re: Earth circumference 58 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 11:44
Re: Earth circumference 55 drew 20-Dec-19 23:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 59 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 19:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 62 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 01:54
Re: Remen : Meridian 59 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 04:30
Re: Remen : Meridian 48 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 07:43
Re: Remen : Meridian 52 DavidK 21-Dec-19 10:56
Re: Remen : Meridian 58 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 52 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 45 DavidK 21-Dec-19 16:08
Re: Remen : Meridian 68 DavidK 21-Dec-19 12:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 53 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 15:19
Re: Remen : Meridian 49 molder 21-Dec-19 20:33
Re: Remen : Meridian 47 DavidK 21-Dec-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 52 Jim Alison 22-Dec-19 03:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 55 DavidK 22-Dec-19 10:30
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 53 molder 22-Dec-19 13:03
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 51 DavidK 22-Dec-19 15:01
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 63 magisterchessmutt 22-Dec-19 17:13
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 65 DavidK 22-Dec-19 17:32
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 59 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 05:23
Stecchini's Metrics 56 thinkitover 21-Dec-19 16:01
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 65 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 17:17
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 57 thinkitover 24-Dec-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 58 drew 23-Dec-19 00:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 57 Jim Alison 23-Dec-19 02:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 67 DavidK 23-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Remen : Meridian 73 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 01:09
Re: Remen : Meridian 49 drew 27-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 57 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:59
Re: Remen : Meridian 53 drew 28-Dec-19 22:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 96 DavidK 29-Dec-19 00:50
Re: Remen : Meridian 53 Jim Alison 11-Jan-20 03:53
Re: Remen : Meridian 49 DavidK 11-Jan-20 13:54
The Egyptian Remen 14.58333r inches 58 DavidK 11-Jan-20 16:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 41 Jim Alison 22-Jan-20 00:10
Re: Remen : Meridian 35 Mercurial 22-Jan-20 20:59
say hello to rodz? 58 DavidK 11-Jan-20 18:01
Re: say hello to rodz? 42 thinkitover 12-Jan-20 06:03
Re: say hello to rodz? 49 DavidK 12-Jan-20 12:45
Re: say hello to rodz? 47 thinkitover 13-Jan-20 06:41


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