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This is good because this is a big issue to me, we really can't agree on this at all.

The question I asked myself over and over again is -Why is Jim uisng 20.625 as the REC? but I couldn't amswer this question because I did not understand the Roman, Greek and Egyptian feet you kept writing about but fortunately I got a copy of Berrriman.

This is Berriman's Royal cubit

(3x3x3x3x3x3)/1000 x 4375/4374 x 20 x 99/70 = 25 x 990/1200 ( this supports the argument that the royal cubit can be either 28 of 25 units of measure.)

since the royal cubit most certainly is 25 x 990/1200 = 20.625

This is the JW and Berriman Royal cubit that I now subscribe to after spending months trying to figure this out.

This comes from the Egyptian foot of 11.666r inches /16 = 0.7291666r which is 0.729 x 4375/4374.The point being is that this foot is used to design the GP because it is Egyptian something that i really needed to confirm based on Berriman and I have done this.

11.6666r / 16 x 20 is the remen of 14.58333r inches.This is the remen of the Royal cubit which is 20 root 2 remen and root 2 is 99/70.

14.58333r x 99/70 = 20.625 this is Berriman's Royal cubit.

So that is the Egyptian foot, remen, and digit sorted for the Royal cubit.( you would not expect the Royal cubit to be designed against a Roman foot)

20 root 2 in this instance is 20 x 99/70 = 1980/70 = 28.28571 x 0.7291666r = 20.625

this is the Royal cubit attacked from virtually every angle decimally fractionally base 25 and base 28 the only missing element is 28.125 x 0.7333r = 20.625 (0.7333r being the eclipse digit)

the tricky bit of the REC is the Egyptian foot and Berriman gives it as [(35/27) / (16 x 9)] x 16 this 35/27 x 9 so it is 35/3 = 11.666r imperial inches

it is 315 / 432 and the suggestion of 3.15 Pi is raised

315/432 = 0.7291666r x 16 = 11.666r

Linking this to the Roman foot gives 11.666r x 4374/4375 = 11.664

In decimal

0.729 x 1.00229 x 20 x 1.414286 = 20.625 where 0.729 is the digit of the Roman foot.

the bit that was tricky, more than tricky!! was the switch from Roman digit to Egyptian digit but I hope I have made the reasons for the transition clear.

Now for the Greek foot

This is the Roman foot x 25/24 = 12.15 inches.

This Roman foot is a misnomer because it is most certainly Babylonian.

and this is the other cubit calculated exactly the same way

(3x3x3x3x3x3)/1000 x 20 x 140/99 = 204120 / 9900


The only change in the calculation is that 0.729 is used as the Roman digit replacing the Egyptian digit and 140/99 replaces 99/70 as the root 2 approximate but this still agrees Berriman's interpretations of root 2.

The remen is 20 x 0.729 = 14.58 x 140/99 = 204120/9900 = 20.618181818r x 1760 = 36288.

This cubit is 28.2828282828r x 0.729 = 20.61818181818r

This is the real point i am making here. Berriman is giving us two options

One is 20.625 as 9900/480

One is 20.6181818r as 204120/9900 this is john Neal's cubit


i am trying to dig into the deisgns of the two cubits to see what is going on and I am saying that 0.729 does not fit 20.62 in any way, it fits 20.6181818r Neal's cubit.

If you multiply Neal's cubit by 176/175 you get 20.736 Michell's cubit, yet another reason for not accepting 20.6181818r as Royal.

It is very clear from the analysis that the Royal cubit is base 99 something i have been saying since i investigated Thom's work at Stonehenge.

20.625 x 1760 = 36300 and 20.625 x 1777.777r = 36666.666r

16000/9 = 1777.777r and 16/9 is one side of Eyptian Pi so the Royal cubit is multiplied by 16/9 x 1000. it really does not get any more Egyptian if it tried. The Royal cubit is Royal for this reason. It works in base 99 and base 100 and all the way to the top of the GP.

you are the guys who have been using these figures for years so If i have got this wrong let me know why, but i never felt like you knew why you were using those different feet.

i know why the Egyptians used 11.666r now

36666.666r / 11.666r = 3142.857143 one thousand units of Pi as 22/7 is the GP base

The height is 5833.333r inches / 11.666r = 500 and they used 500 because the GP framework is 2 x 22/7 so only 500 units is reuired to give 1000 pi in the base.

I know there are other Egyptian feet on offer but they don't do this so no thanks in advance.Neal was disparaging about Berrimans calcs in his Opus 2.

11.666r x 3 = 35 it is base 7

remember 35/27 in the above workings? It is 1.296296296r /16 x 9 = the egyptian digit.

D



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22-Dec-19 16:41 by DavidK.

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Remen : Meridian 1953 Jim Alison 15-Nov-19 22:52
DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 151 Poster Boy 16-Nov-19 17:55
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 137 DUNE 17-Nov-19 09:56
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 111 Jim Alison 17-Nov-19 23:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 108 Poster Boy 17-Nov-19 23:59
Found it! 142 Poster Boy 18-Nov-19 02:55
Re: Found it! 110 Mercurial 20-Nov-19 11:44
Re: Found it! 95 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:42
Squaring The Circle 110 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Nov-19 18:59
Re: Squaring The Circle 109 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Squaring The Circle 109 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:22
Remen references 119 Lee McGiffen 21-Nov-19 01:59
Re: Remen references 122 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 04:29
Re: Remen references 91 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 13:56
Re: Remen references 72 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 20:05
Re: Remen references 88 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 21:17
Re: Remen references 75 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 01:24
Re: Remen references 76 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 12:10
Re: Remen references 102 DUNE 25-Nov-19 13:17
Re: Remen references 46 Jim Alison 16-Jan-20 20:22
Drastic Geodetic Measures and Nippur Cubit 88 thinkitover 25-Nov-19 06:46
Re: Remen references 92 Jim Alison 26-Nov-19 08:04
Re: Remen references 99 Lee McGiffen 27-Nov-19 12:54
Re: Remen references 79 Mercurial 28-Nov-19 22:32
Re: Remen references 104 Jim Alison 01-Dec-19 06:15
Re: Squaring The Circle 122 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 00:47
Re: Squaring The Circle 84 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 02:32
Re: Squaring The Circle 88 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 05:20
Re: Squaring The Circle 131 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 06:26
Egyptian knowledge of √2 89 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:39
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 73 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 01:19
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 97 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 09:45
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 78 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 14:42
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 73 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 16:10
Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 85 geoffss 21-Nov-19 10:49
Re: Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 79 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 11:54
Re: Squaring The Circle 45 molder 20-Dec-19 12:45
Re: Found it! 93 Mercurial 22-Nov-19 06:48
Re: Found it! 89 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 12:01
Re: Found it! 84 Poster Boy 22-Nov-19 15:24
Re: Found it! 88 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 23:55
Re: Found it! 77 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 02:06
Re: Found it! 77 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 02:36
Re: Found it! 76 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Found it! 84 DUNE 23-Nov-19 18:42
Re: Found it! 71 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 19:37
Re: Found it! 81 DUNE 23-Nov-19 20:14
Re: Found it! 72 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 20:27
Re: Found it! 73 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 20:46
Re: Found it! 78 DUNE 23-Nov-19 21:37
Re: Found it! 76 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 21:55
Re: Found it! 80 DUNE 23-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Found it! 73 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 22:44
Re: Found it! 105 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 17:44
Re: Found it! 77 DUNE 24-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Found it! 80 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 18:34
Re: Found it! 77 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 20:59
Re: Found it! 73 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 19:55
Totally debunked 78 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 05:23
NOT Totally debunked 73 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 05:41
eg: NOT Totally debunked 86 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 06:12
Khufu <> Khafre 93 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 00:28
Re: Khufu <> Khafre 70 Mercurial 24-Nov-19 19:12
Khufu <> Khafre - Update 33 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Found it! 92 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:35
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 92 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 82 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:05
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 88 magisterchessmutt 20-Nov-19 00:27
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 80 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 15:34
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 79 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:49
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 84 DUNE 19-Nov-19 10:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 78 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:22
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 79 DUNE 19-Nov-19 15:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 75 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 00:44
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 92 Poster Boy 19-Nov-19 16:43
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 79 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 01:07
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 95 Poster Boy 20-Nov-19 01:38
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 80 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:28
Where is this leading? 86 Poster Boy 21-Nov-19 17:19
Re: Where is this leading? 86 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 100 Poster Boy 16-Nov-19 18:00
Re: Remen : Meridian 98 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:09
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Re: Excellent! 131 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Excellent! 103 Lee McGiffen 18-Nov-19 07:36
Re: Excellent! 105 Jim Alison 18-Nov-19 15:55
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