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This is good because this is a big issue to me, we really can't agree on this at all.

The question I asked myself over and over again is -Why is Jim uisng 20.625 as the REC? but I couldn't amswer this question because I did not understand the Roman, Greek and Egyptian feet you kept writing about but fortunately I got a copy of Berrriman.

This is Berriman's Royal cubit

(3x3x3x3x3x3)/1000 x 4375/4374 x 20 x 99/70 = 25 x 990/1200 ( this supports the argument that the royal cubit can be either 28 of 25 units of measure.)

since the royal cubit most certainly is 25 x 990/1200 = 20.625

This is the JW and Berriman Royal cubit that I now subscribe to after spending months trying to figure this out.

This comes from the Egyptian foot of 11.666r inches /16 = 0.7291666r which is 0.729 x 4375/4374.The point being is that this foot is used to design the GP because it is Egyptian something that i really needed to confirm based on Berriman and I have done this.

11.6666r / 16 x 20 is the remen of 14.58333r inches.This is the remen of the Royal cubit which is 20 root 2 remen and root 2 is 99/70.

14.58333r x 99/70 = 20.625 this is Berriman's Royal cubit.

So that is the Egyptian foot, remen, and digit sorted for the Royal cubit.( you would not expect the Royal cubit to be designed against a Roman foot)

20 root 2 in this instance is 20 x 99/70 = 1980/70 = 28.28571 x 0.7291666r = 20.625

this is the Royal cubit attacked from virtually every angle decimally fractionally base 25 and base 28 the only missing element is 28.125 x 0.7333r = 20.625 (0.7333r being the eclipse digit)

the tricky bit of the REC is the Egyptian foot and Berriman gives it as [(35/27) / (16 x 9)] x 16 this 35/27 x 9 so it is 35/3 = 11.666r imperial inches

it is 315 / 432 and the suggestion of 3.15 Pi is raised

315/432 = 0.7291666r x 16 = 11.666r

Linking this to the Roman foot gives 11.666r x 4374/4375 = 11.664

In decimal

0.729 x 1.00229 x 20 x 1.414286 = 20.625 where 0.729 is the digit of the Roman foot.

the bit that was tricky, more than tricky!! was the switch from Roman digit to Egyptian digit but I hope I have made the reasons for the transition clear.

Now for the Greek foot

This is the Roman foot x 25/24 = 12.15 inches.

This Roman foot is a misnomer because it is most certainly Babylonian.

and this is the other cubit calculated exactly the same way

(3x3x3x3x3x3)/1000 x 20 x 140/99 = 204120 / 9900

The only change in the calculation is that 0.729 is used as the Roman digit replacing the Egyptian digit and 140/99 replaces 99/70 as the root 2 approximate but this still agrees Berriman's interpretations of root 2.

The remen is 20 x 0.729 = 14.58 x 140/99 = 204120/9900 = 20.618181818r x 1760 = 36288.

This cubit is 28.2828282828r x 0.729 = 20.61818181818r

This is the real point i am making here. Berriman is giving us two options

One is 20.625 as 9900/480

One is 20.6181818r as 204120/9900 this is john Neal's cubit

i am trying to dig into the deisgns of the two cubits to see what is going on and I am saying that 0.729 does not fit 20.62 in any way, it fits 20.6181818r Neal's cubit.

If you multiply Neal's cubit by 176/175 you get 20.736 Michell's cubit, yet another reason for not accepting 20.6181818r as Royal.

It is very clear from the analysis that the Royal cubit is base 99 something i have been saying since i investigated Thom's work at Stonehenge.

20.625 x 1760 = 36300 and 20.625 x 1777.777r = 36666.666r

16000/9 = 1777.777r and 16/9 is one side of Eyptian Pi so the Royal cubit is multiplied by 16/9 x 1000. it really does not get any more Egyptian if it tried. The Royal cubit is Royal for this reason. It works in base 99 and base 100 and all the way to the top of the GP.

you are the guys who have been using these figures for years so If i have got this wrong let me know why, but i never felt like you knew why you were using those different feet.

i know why the Egyptians used 11.666r now

36666.666r / 11.666r = 3142.857143 one thousand units of Pi as 22/7 is the GP base

The height is 5833.333r inches / 11.666r = 500 and they used 500 because the GP framework is 2 x 22/7 so only 500 units is reuired to give 1000 pi in the base.

I know there are other Egyptian feet on offer but they don't do this so no thanks in advance.Neal was disparaging about Berrimans calcs in his Opus 2.

11.666r x 3 = 35 it is base 7

remember 35/27 in the above workings? It is 1.296296296r /16 x 9 = the egyptian digit.

D

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22-Dec-19 16:41 by DavidK.

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Remen : Meridian 2637 Jim Alison 15-Nov-19 22:52
DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 329 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 17:55
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 318 DUNE 17-Nov-19 09:56
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 296 Jim Alison 17-Nov-19 23:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 298 PB Bytes 17-Nov-19 23:59
Found it! 337 PB Bytes 18-Nov-19 02:55
Re: Found it! 296 Mercurial 20-Nov-19 11:44
Re: Found it! 279 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:42
Squaring The Circle 306 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Nov-19 18:59
Re: Squaring The Circle 300 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Squaring The Circle 293 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:22
Remen references 316 Lee McGiffen 21-Nov-19 01:59
Re: Remen references 316 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 04:29
Re: Remen references 284 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 13:56
Re: Remen references 253 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 20:05
Re: Remen references 279 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 21:17
Re: Remen references 260 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 01:24
Re: Remen references 249 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 12:10
Re: Remen references 305 DUNE 25-Nov-19 13:17
Re: Remen references 216 Jim Alison 16-Jan-20 20:22
Drastic Geodetic Measures and Nippur Cubit 298 thinkitover 25-Nov-19 06:46
Re: Remen references 284 Jim Alison 26-Nov-19 08:04
Re: Remen references 316 Lee McGiffen 27-Nov-19 12:54
Re: Remen references 263 Mercurial 28-Nov-19 22:32
Re: Remen references 331 Jim Alison 01-Dec-19 06:15
Re: Squaring The Circle 325 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 00:47
Re: Squaring The Circle 271 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 02:32
Re: Squaring The Circle 265 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 05:20
Re: Squaring The Circle 342 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 06:26
Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 265 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:39
Re: Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 238 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 01:19
Re: Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 288 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 09:45
Re: Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 254 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 14:42
Re: Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 248 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 16:10
Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 269 geoffss 21-Nov-19 10:49
Re: Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 263 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 11:54
Re: Squaring The Circle 227 molder 20-Dec-19 12:45
Re: Found it! 300 Mercurial 22-Nov-19 06:48
Re: Found it! 264 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 12:01
Re: Found it! 259 PB Bytes 22-Nov-19 15:24
Re: Found it! 298 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 23:55
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Re: Found it! 252 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 02:36
Re: Found it! 247 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Found it! 257 DUNE 23-Nov-19 18:42
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Re: Found it! 258 DUNE 23-Nov-19 20:14
Re: Found it! 247 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:27
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Re: Found it! 248 DUNE 23-Nov-19 21:37
Re: Found it! 250 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 21:55
Re: Found it! 253 DUNE 23-Nov-19 22:24
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Re: Found it! 260 DUNE 24-Nov-19 18:29
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Re: Found it! 251 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:59
Re: Found it! 247 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 19:55
Totally debunked 256 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 05:23
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Khufu <> Khafre 284 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 00:28
Re: Khufu <> Khafre 247 Mercurial 24-Nov-19 19:12
Khufu <> Khafre - Update 210 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Found it! 271 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:35
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 262 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 256 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:05
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 274 magisterchessmutt 20-Nov-19 00:27
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 259 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 15:34
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 258 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:49
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 262 DUNE 19-Nov-19 10:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 258 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:22
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 249 DUNE 19-Nov-19 15:37
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Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 255 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:28
Where is this leading? 263 PB Bytes 21-Nov-19 17:19
Re: Where is this leading? 275 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 272 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 18:00
Re: Remen : Meridian 275 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:09
Excellent! 283 thinkitover 16-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Excellent! 320 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Excellent! 305 Lee McGiffen 18-Nov-19 07:36
Re: Excellent! 299 Jim Alison 18-Nov-19 15:55
Re: Excellent! 278 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:57
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Re: Remen : Meridian 263 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:24
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Re: Remen : Meridian 265 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 23:40
The Earth number 337 hendrik dirker 21-Nov-19 05:48
Re: The Earth number 287 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 13:15
Re: The Earth number 283 molder 22-Nov-19 19:30
Re: The Earth number 257 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:44
Geometry as Metrology? 309 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 22:56
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 272 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 00:04
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 281 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 01:16
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 310 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:36
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Re: Earth circumference 261 hendrik dirker 20-Dec-19 06:07
Re: Earth circumference 239 DavidK 20-Dec-19 13:27
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Re: Earth circumference 242 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 20:48
Re: Earth circumference 241 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 11:44
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Re: Remen : Meridian 217 Jim Alison 22-Dec-19 03:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 215 DavidK 22-Dec-19 10:30
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 227 molder 22-Dec-19 13:03
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 220 DavidK 22-Dec-19 15:01
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 225 magisterchessmutt 22-Dec-19 17:13
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 231 DavidK 22-Dec-19 17:32
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 226 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 05:23
Stecchini's Metrics 224 thinkitover 21-Dec-19 16:01
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Re: Remen : Meridian 221 Jim Alison 11-Jan-20 03:53
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The Egyptian Remen 14.58333r inches 363 DavidK 11-Jan-20 16:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 215 Jim Alison 22-Jan-20 00:10
Re: Remen : Meridian 206 Mercurial 22-Jan-20 20:59
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