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Jim

OK let me explain

I took the quote out of context so my comment in not relevant but the misleading part is this.

20.62 and 0.729 do not go together because 20.62 only factorises as 2 x 1031 and this is very clumsy and inelegant.

0.729 as I say is 3x3x3x3x3x3/1000 and this is beautifully balanced so just multiply by 2x2x2x2 to get the Roman foot.

Multiply by 2x2x5 to get the Remen of 14.58 imperial inches. the imperial inch is the unit that holds everything together.

Now the cubit is then 14.58 x 140/99 and this version of root 2 is the 5 and 1/2 sekhed x 10/9 again very elegant.

The key rule we should all be aware of is that the square 9 becomes the circle 10 when pi is 22/7. This rule has to be followed. So 360 becomes 400 and the square 360 and circle 400 are the wrong way round if you get my meaning here.

Berriman (long after Griffith) suggests that they used 99/70 and 140/99 as root 2 both versions being root 7 and 11 as is the 5 and 1/2 sekhed and it is important to stay within this Egyptian framework.


When you say no point in expanding the decimals you are missing another rule in that all the numbers are fractions they did not do decimal points.

So the cubit is 14/11 x 10/9 x (3x3x3x3x3x3)/1000 x 20 = 2041200/99000 ( 20.625 is 9900/480) They are designed to work together.

This is a very different cubit to 20.62, one that complies with all the rules and is incredibly elegant and highlights the base 99 construction of this cubit discovered by John Neal and Michell.

It is 20.618181818r and this notation is very poor once the design is drilled into.

There is no room for error in these designs and talking about a number almost being another one is just plain wrong because 9801/9800 is hidden between the two versions of root 2 and is MC's Mr Dial's signature. Have you seen his Phos calc?

Once you know it is there deliberately, everything you thought you knew about the AE changes.

The correct cubit to use with 0.729 is

0.729 x 28.282828282828r = 20.618181818r

28.282828282828 is 20 root 2 being 1.414141414r

So Griffith was absolutely wrong numerically but theoretically correct.

20.62 / 0.729 = nearly 20 root 2 = 28.28532236 but this has to be converted to a fraction using base 7 and 11

To get 20.625 use the methodology above but use 0.729 x 4375/4374 as the digit.Yet more Dial magic.

4374 is 2 x 3 to the power 7

4375 is 5 to the power 4 x 7.

We have to chisel our way through the numbers to understand what was going on.

I hope you don't think I am being rude or critical because i am not. I misunderstood your article because I skim read it. the fact is there are not many who would understand these subtle numerical distinctions but you MC Thinkitover and Jim W certainly do.

I think we all have a duty of care with our findings and should work together because alone we will never get to the bottom of these fabulous systems.

I am promoting Berriman as a point of reference for Metrologists but only looking at units of length. Obviously he has his sources such as Greaves and I would imagine Petrie. So using his work is a very powerful reference tool.

Petrie suggested 20.611 for his cubit and since 10/9 is 1.11111r logically 20.611111r is the relevant cubit length.

20.6111r x 160/159 = 20.740740r the cubit that holds for his second determination.

These values are elegant and in compliance with Berriman's rules. That is all I need to say about them, other than 20.740740740r / 1.4141414141 = 14.666r my eclipse cubit( Discovered at Stonehenge by using the work of Thom).


cheers

Dave



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 22-Dec-19 10:56 by DavidK.

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Remen : Meridian 2308 Jim Alison 15-Nov-19 22:52
DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 221 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 17:55
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 206 DUNE 17-Nov-19 09:56
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 178 Jim Alison 17-Nov-19 23:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 182 PB Bytes 17-Nov-19 23:59
Found it! 226 PB Bytes 18-Nov-19 02:55
Re: Found it! 183 Mercurial 20-Nov-19 11:44
Re: Found it! 164 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:42
Squaring The Circle 193 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Nov-19 18:59
Re: Squaring The Circle 187 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Squaring The Circle 177 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:22
Remen references 195 Lee McGiffen 21-Nov-19 01:59
Re: Remen references 200 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 04:29
Re: Remen references 168 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 13:56
Re: Remen references 139 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 20:05
Re: Remen references 156 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 21:17
Re: Remen references 140 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 01:24
Re: Remen references 140 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 12:10
Re: Remen references 179 DUNE 25-Nov-19 13:17
Re: Remen references 112 Jim Alison 16-Jan-20 20:22
Drastic Geodetic Measures and Nippur Cubit 182 thinkitover 25-Nov-19 06:46
Re: Remen references 167 Jim Alison 26-Nov-19 08:04
Re: Remen references 189 Lee McGiffen 27-Nov-19 12:54
Re: Remen references 147 Mercurial 28-Nov-19 22:32
Re: Remen references 197 Jim Alison 01-Dec-19 06:15
Re: Squaring The Circle 200 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 00:47
Re: Squaring The Circle 156 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 02:32
Re: Squaring The Circle 153 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 05:20
Re: Squaring The Circle 216 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 06:26
Egyptian knowledge of √2 156 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:39
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 136 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 01:19
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 169 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 09:45
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 144 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 14:42
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 140 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 16:10
Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 150 geoffss 21-Nov-19 10:49
Re: Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 147 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 11:54
Re: Squaring The Circle 115 molder 20-Dec-19 12:45
Re: Found it! 169 Mercurial 22-Nov-19 06:48
Re: Found it! 157 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 12:01
Re: Found it! 153 PB Bytes 22-Nov-19 15:24
Re: Found it! 183 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 23:55
Re: Found it! 146 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 02:06
Re: Found it! 145 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 02:36
Re: Found it! 145 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Found it! 148 DUNE 23-Nov-19 18:42
Re: Found it! 135 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 19:37
Re: Found it! 147 DUNE 23-Nov-19 20:14
Re: Found it! 135 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:27
Re: Found it! 136 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:46
Re: Found it! 143 DUNE 23-Nov-19 21:37
Re: Found it! 143 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 21:55
Re: Found it! 148 DUNE 23-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Found it! 139 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 22:44
Re: Found it! 194 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:44
Re: Found it! 152 DUNE 24-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Found it! 151 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 18:34
Re: Found it! 145 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:59
Re: Found it! 143 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 19:55
Totally debunked 147 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 05:23
NOT Totally debunked 139 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 05:41
eg: NOT Totally debunked 150 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 06:12
Khufu <> Khafre 163 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 00:28
Re: Khufu <> Khafre 139 Mercurial 24-Nov-19 19:12
Khufu <> Khafre - Update 98 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Found it! 161 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:35
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 156 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 148 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:05
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 152 magisterchessmutt 20-Nov-19 00:27
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 146 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 15:34
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 141 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:49
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 150 DUNE 19-Nov-19 10:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 147 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:22
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 146 DUNE 19-Nov-19 15:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 141 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 00:44
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 159 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 16:43
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 145 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 01:07
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 166 PB Bytes 20-Nov-19 01:38
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 145 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:28
Where is this leading? 153 PB Bytes 21-Nov-19 17:19
Re: Where is this leading? 158 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 165 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 18:00
Re: Remen : Meridian 164 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:09
Excellent! 171 thinkitover 16-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Excellent! 201 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Excellent! 173 Lee McGiffen 18-Nov-19 07:36
Re: Excellent! 179 Jim Alison 18-Nov-19 15:55
Re: Excellent! 169 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:57
Re: Remen : Meridian 162 Spiros 20-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 155 Spiros 20-Nov-19 19:28
Re: Remen : Meridian 149 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 145 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:25
Re: Remen : Meridian 181 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 155 Spiros 20-Nov-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 155 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 23:40
The Earth number 209 hendrik dirker 21-Nov-19 05:48
Re: The Earth number 181 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 13:15
Re: The Earth number 164 molder 22-Nov-19 19:30
Re: The Earth number 147 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:44
Geometry as Metrology? 173 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 22:56
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 161 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 00:04
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 165 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 01:16
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 187 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:36
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 195 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 232 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 02:38
Re: Remen : Meridian 165 DavidK 11-Dec-19 23:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 147 DavidK 12-Dec-19 13:23
Re: Remen : Meridian 156 thinkitover 12-Dec-19 18:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 172 DavidK 12-Dec-19 21:27
Re: Remen : Meridian 126 Jiri Mruzek 13-Dec-19 00:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 119 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 127 Jim Alison 13-Dec-19 03:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 119 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 04:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 119 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 05:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 122 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 123 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:15
Re: Remen : Meridian 118 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 11:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 136 DavidK 13-Dec-19 11:07
Re: Earth circumference 149 drew 17-Dec-19 23:57
Re: Earth circumference 156 DavidK 18-Dec-19 11:29
Re: Earth circumference 150 drew 20-Dec-19 00:22
Re: Earth circumference 140 hendrik dirker 20-Dec-19 06:07
Re: Earth circumference 133 DavidK 20-Dec-19 13:27
Re: Earth circumference 118 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 12:48
Re: Earth circumference 127 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 20:48
Re: Earth circumference 131 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 11:44
Re: Earth circumference 117 drew 20-Dec-19 23:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 123 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 19:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 124 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 01:54
Re: Remen : Meridian 123 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 04:30
Re: Remen : Meridian 115 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 07:43
Re: Remen : Meridian 117 DavidK 21-Dec-19 10:56
Re: Remen : Meridian 121 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 115 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 110 DavidK 21-Dec-19 16:08
Re: Remen : Meridian 136 DavidK 21-Dec-19 12:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 117 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 15:19
Re: Remen : Meridian 116 molder 21-Dec-19 20:33
Re: Remen : Meridian 107 DavidK 21-Dec-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 116 Jim Alison 22-Dec-19 03:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 113 DavidK 22-Dec-19 10:30
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 118 molder 22-Dec-19 13:03
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 111 DavidK 22-Dec-19 15:01
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 122 magisterchessmutt 22-Dec-19 17:13
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 127 DavidK 22-Dec-19 17:32
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 120 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 05:23
Stecchini's Metrics 118 thinkitover 21-Dec-19 16:01
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 125 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 17:17
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 118 thinkitover 24-Dec-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 122 drew 23-Dec-19 00:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 118 Jim Alison 23-Dec-19 02:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 132 DavidK 23-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Remen : Meridian 134 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 01:09
Re: Remen : Meridian 113 drew 27-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 128 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:59
Re: Remen : Meridian 125 drew 28-Dec-19 22:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 167 DavidK 29-Dec-19 00:50
Re: Remen : Meridian 82 Jim Alison 19-Apr-20 18:46
Re: Remen : Meridian 63 drew 22-Apr-20 23:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 73 magisterchessmutt 23-Apr-20 13:03
Re: Remen : Meridian 79 magisterchessmutt 24-Apr-20 08:14
Re: Remen : Meridian 118 Jim Alison 11-Jan-20 03:53
Re: Remen : Meridian 108 DavidK 11-Jan-20 13:54
The Egyptian Remen 14.58333r inches 140 DavidK 11-Jan-20 16:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 106 Jim Alison 22-Jan-20 00:10
Re: Remen : Meridian 107 Mercurial 22-Jan-20 20:59
say hello to rodz? 126 DavidK 11-Jan-20 18:01
Re: say hello to rodz? 108 thinkitover 12-Jan-20 06:03
Re: say hello to rodz? 118 DavidK 12-Jan-20 12:45
Re: say hello to rodz? 139 thinkitover 13-Jan-20 06:41
Re: Remen : Meridian 104 akitu 24-Apr-20 19:26


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