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Jim

OK let me explain

I took the quote out of context so my comment in not relevant but the misleading part is this.

20.62 and 0.729 do not go together because 20.62 only factorises as 2 x 1031 and this is very clumsy and inelegant.

0.729 as I say is 3x3x3x3x3x3/1000 and this is beautifully balanced so just multiply by 2x2x2x2 to get the Roman foot.

Multiply by 2x2x5 to get the Remen of 14.58 imperial inches. the imperial inch is the unit that holds everything together.

Now the cubit is then 14.58 x 140/99 and this version of root 2 is the 5 and 1/2 sekhed x 10/9 again very elegant.

The key rule we should all be aware of is that the square 9 becomes the circle 10 when pi is 22/7. This rule has to be followed. So 360 becomes 400 and the square 360 and circle 400 are the wrong way round if you get my meaning here.

Berriman (long after Griffith) suggests that they used 99/70 and 140/99 as root 2 both versions being root 7 and 11 as is the 5 and 1/2 sekhed and it is important to stay within this Egyptian framework.

When you say no point in expanding the decimals you are missing another rule in that all the numbers are fractions they did not do decimal points.

So the cubit is 14/11 x 10/9 x (3x3x3x3x3x3)/1000 x 20 = 2041200/99000 ( 20.625 is 9900/480) They are designed to work together.

This is a very different cubit to 20.62, one that complies with all the rules and is incredibly elegant and highlights the base 99 construction of this cubit discovered by John Neal and Michell.

It is 20.618181818r and this notation is very poor once the design is drilled into.

There is no room for error in these designs and talking about a number almost being another one is just plain wrong because 9801/9800 is hidden between the two versions of root 2 and is MC's Mr Dial's signature. Have you seen his Phos calc?

Once you know it is there deliberately, everything you thought you knew about the AE changes.

The correct cubit to use with 0.729 is

0.729 x 28.282828282828r = 20.618181818r

28.282828282828 is 20 root 2 being 1.414141414r

So Griffith was absolutely wrong numerically but theoretically correct.

20.62 / 0.729 = nearly 20 root 2 = 28.28532236 but this has to be converted to a fraction using base 7 and 11

To get 20.625 use the methodology above but use 0.729 x 4375/4374 as the digit.Yet more Dial magic.

4374 is 2 x 3 to the power 7

4375 is 5 to the power 4 x 7.

We have to chisel our way through the numbers to understand what was going on.

I hope you don't think I am being rude or critical because i am not. I misunderstood your article because I skim read it. the fact is there are not many who would understand these subtle numerical distinctions but you MC Thinkitover and Jim W certainly do.

I think we all have a duty of care with our findings and should work together because alone we will never get to the bottom of these fabulous systems.

I am promoting Berriman as a point of reference for Metrologists but only looking at units of length. Obviously he has his sources such as Greaves and I would imagine Petrie. So using his work is a very powerful reference tool.

Petrie suggested 20.611 for his cubit and since 10/9 is 1.11111r logically 20.611111r is the relevant cubit length.

20.6111r x 160/159 = 20.740740r the cubit that holds for his second determination.

These values are elegant and in compliance with Berriman's rules. That is all I need to say about them, other than 20.740740740r / 1.4141414141 = 14.666r my eclipse cubit( Discovered at Stonehenge by using the work of Thom).

cheers

Dave

Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 22-Dec-19 10:56 by DavidK.

Subject Views Written By Posted
Remen : Meridian 2637 Jim Alison 15-Nov-19 22:52
DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 329 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 17:55
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 318 DUNE 17-Nov-19 09:56
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 296 Jim Alison 17-Nov-19 23:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 298 PB Bytes 17-Nov-19 23:59
Found it! 337 PB Bytes 18-Nov-19 02:55
Re: Found it! 296 Mercurial 20-Nov-19 11:44
Re: Found it! 279 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:42
Squaring The Circle 306 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Nov-19 18:59
Re: Squaring The Circle 300 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Squaring The Circle 293 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:22
Remen references 316 Lee McGiffen 21-Nov-19 01:59
Re: Remen references 316 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 04:29
Re: Remen references 284 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 13:56
Re: Remen references 253 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 20:05
Re: Remen references 279 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 21:17
Re: Remen references 260 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 01:24
Re: Remen references 249 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 12:10
Re: Remen references 305 DUNE 25-Nov-19 13:17
Re: Remen references 216 Jim Alison 16-Jan-20 20:22
Drastic Geodetic Measures and Nippur Cubit 298 thinkitover 25-Nov-19 06:46
Re: Remen references 284 Jim Alison 26-Nov-19 08:04
Re: Remen references 316 Lee McGiffen 27-Nov-19 12:54
Re: Remen references 263 Mercurial 28-Nov-19 22:32
Re: Remen references 331 Jim Alison 01-Dec-19 06:15
Re: Squaring The Circle 325 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 00:47
Re: Squaring The Circle 271 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 02:32
Re: Squaring The Circle 265 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 05:20
Re: Squaring The Circle 342 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 06:26
Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 265 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:39
Re: Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 238 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 01:19
Re: Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 288 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 09:45
Re: Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 254 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 14:42
Re: Egyptian knowledge of âˆš2 248 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 16:10
Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 269 geoffss 21-Nov-19 10:49
Re: Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 263 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 11:54
Re: Squaring The Circle 227 molder 20-Dec-19 12:45
Re: Found it! 300 Mercurial 22-Nov-19 06:48
Re: Found it! 264 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 12:01
Re: Found it! 259 PB Bytes 22-Nov-19 15:24
Re: Found it! 298 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 23:55
Re: Found it! 258 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 02:06
Re: Found it! 252 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 02:36
Re: Found it! 247 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Found it! 257 DUNE 23-Nov-19 18:42
Re: Found it! 240 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 19:37
Re: Found it! 258 DUNE 23-Nov-19 20:14
Re: Found it! 247 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:27
Re: Found it! 244 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:46
Re: Found it! 248 DUNE 23-Nov-19 21:37
Re: Found it! 250 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 21:55
Re: Found it! 253 DUNE 23-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Found it! 244 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 22:44
Re: Found it! 304 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:44
Re: Found it! 260 DUNE 24-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Found it! 266 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 18:34
Re: Found it! 251 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:59
Re: Found it! 247 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 19:55
Totally debunked 256 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 05:23
NOT Totally debunked 245 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 05:41
eg: NOT Totally debunked 265 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 06:12
Khufu <> Khafre 284 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 00:28
Re: Khufu <> Khafre 247 Mercurial 24-Nov-19 19:12
Khufu <> Khafre - Update 210 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Found it! 271 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:35
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 262 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 256 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:05
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 274 magisterchessmutt 20-Nov-19 00:27
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 259 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 15:34
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 258 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:49
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 262 DUNE 19-Nov-19 10:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 258 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:22
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 249 DUNE 19-Nov-19 15:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 250 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 00:44
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 273 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 16:43
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 257 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 01:07
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 283 PB Bytes 20-Nov-19 01:38
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 255 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:28
Where is this leading? 263 PB Bytes 21-Nov-19 17:19
Re: Where is this leading? 275 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 272 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 18:00
Re: Remen : Meridian 275 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:09
Excellent! 283 thinkitover 16-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Excellent! 320 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Excellent! 305 Lee McGiffen 18-Nov-19 07:36
Re: Excellent! 299 Jim Alison 18-Nov-19 15:55
Re: Excellent! 278 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:57
Re: Remen : Meridian 273 Spiros 20-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 267 Spiros 20-Nov-19 19:28
Re: Remen : Meridian 263 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 259 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:25
Re: Remen : Meridian 293 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 272 Spiros 20-Nov-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 265 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 23:40
The Earth number 337 hendrik dirker 21-Nov-19 05:48
Re: The Earth number 287 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 13:15
Re: The Earth number 283 molder 22-Nov-19 19:30
Re: The Earth number 257 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:44
Geometry as Metrology? 309 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 22:56
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 272 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 00:04
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 281 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 01:16
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 310 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:36
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 311 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 416 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 02:38
Re: Remen : Meridian 283 DavidK 11-Dec-19 23:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 266 DavidK 12-Dec-19 13:23
Re: Remen : Meridian 314 thinkitover 12-Dec-19 18:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 287 DavidK 12-Dec-19 21:27
Re: Remen : Meridian 240 Jiri Mruzek 13-Dec-19 00:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 226 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 241 Jim Alison 13-Dec-19 03:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 232 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 04:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 229 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 05:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 229 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 233 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:15
Re: Remen : Meridian 234 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 11:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 250 DavidK 13-Dec-19 11:07
Re: Earth circumference 308 drew 17-Dec-19 23:57
Re: Earth circumference 288 DavidK 18-Dec-19 11:29
Re: Earth circumference 256 drew 20-Dec-19 00:22
Re: Earth circumference 261 hendrik dirker 20-Dec-19 06:07
Re: Earth circumference 239 DavidK 20-Dec-19 13:27
Re: Earth circumference 228 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 12:48
Re: Earth circumference 242 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 20:48
Re: Earth circumference 241 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 11:44
Re: Earth circumference 222 drew 20-Dec-19 23:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 230 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 19:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 227 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 01:54
Re: Remen : Meridian 234 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 04:30
Re: Remen : Meridian 230 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 07:43
Re: Remen : Meridian 228 DavidK 21-Dec-19 10:56
Re: Remen : Meridian 228 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 220 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 214 DavidK 21-Dec-19 16:08
Re: Remen : Meridian 243 DavidK 21-Dec-19 12:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 228 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 15:19
Re: Remen : Meridian 222 molder 21-Dec-19 20:33
Re: Remen : Meridian 217 DavidK 21-Dec-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 217 Jim Alison 22-Dec-19 03:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 214 DavidK 22-Dec-19 10:30
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 227 molder 22-Dec-19 13:03
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 220 DavidK 22-Dec-19 15:01
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 225 magisterchessmutt 22-Dec-19 17:13
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 231 DavidK 22-Dec-19 17:32
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 226 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 05:23
Stecchini's Metrics 224 thinkitover 21-Dec-19 16:01
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 226 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 17:17
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 227 thinkitover 24-Dec-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 227 drew 23-Dec-19 00:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 219 Jim Alison 23-Dec-19 02:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 238 DavidK 23-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Remen : Meridian 239 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 01:09
Re: Remen : Meridian 217 drew 27-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 235 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:59
Re: Remen : Meridian 235 drew 28-Dec-19 22:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 291 DavidK 29-Dec-19 00:50
Re: Remen : Meridian 195 Jim Alison 19-Apr-20 18:46
Re: Remen : Meridian 174 drew 22-Apr-20 23:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 187 magisterchessmutt 23-Apr-20 13:03
Re: Remen : Meridian 195 magisterchessmutt 24-Apr-20 08:14
Re: Remen : Meridian 221 Jim Alison 11-Jan-20 03:53
Re: Remen : Meridian 214 DavidK 11-Jan-20 13:54
The Egyptian Remen 14.58333r inches 363 DavidK 11-Jan-20 16:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 215 Jim Alison 22-Jan-20 00:10
Re: Remen : Meridian 206 Mercurial 22-Jan-20 20:59
say hello to rodz? 234 DavidK 11-Jan-20 18:01
Re: say hello to rodz? 217 thinkitover 12-Jan-20 06:03
Re: say hello to rodz? 222 DavidK 12-Jan-20 12:45
Re: say hello to rodz? 298 thinkitover 13-Jan-20 06:41
Re: Remen : Meridian 248 akitu 24-Apr-20 19:26

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