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Hi Spiros,

I think royal cubit:remen is sq rt 2, not 28:20. I think the digit is based on the 20 digit remen. The first few paragraphs of my article talk about this:


In 1940, W.M.F. Petrie stated: “The unit of linear measure was the royal cubit of 20.6 inches. The half diagonal of this was the remen, a second unit of 14.6 inches, which was divided in 20 digits of .73 inches. Thus, by the use of the diagonal, the half of any square area could be readily formed and defined. That this was fully recognized is shown by the half of the area of 100 × 100 cubits being also called remen in land measure. The result of this system was that the royal cubit was 28.28 digits, commonly reckoned as 28 digits, and on one cubit rod the digit value is exactly retained, and the last digit lengthened, to make up 1.28 with the fraction.” 1 “Whether the Egyptian treated the well-known plumb-line as a pendulum is not indicated by any remains, though the plumb-line was commonly in use from very early times. But the notable fact is that 29.157 inches, the diagonal of the 20.62 inch cubit, which was the basis of all land measure, is the length which would swing 100,000 times in 24 hours, exactly true at Memphis Latitude. This is so remarkable that it suggests that it may have been derived from that observed length, and the source entirely forgotten after the scientific age of the pyramid builders.”

In 1883, Petrie stated: “The digit, from about a dozen examples deduced from monuments, I had concluded to be .7276 inches; here, from three clear and certain examples of it, the conclusion is .727 ± .002 for its length in the fourth dynasty, practically identical with the mean value before found. As I have already pointed out, the cubit and digit have no integral relation one to the other, the connection of 28 digits with the cubit being certainly inexact, and merely adopted to avoid fractions. Now these earliest values of the cubit and digit entirely bear out this view; 28 of these digits of .727 is but 20.36 ± .06, in place of the actual cubit of 20.62 ± .01. Is there then any simple connection between the digit and cubit? Considering how in the Great Pyramid, so much of the design appears to be appears to be based on a relation of the squares of linear quantities to one another, or on diagonals of squares, it will not be impossible to entertain the theory of the cubit and digit being reciprocally connected by diagonals. A square cubit has a diagonal of 40 digits, or 20 digits squared has a diagonal of one cubit, thus, a square cubit is the double of a square of 20 digits, so that halves of areas can be readily stated. This relation is true to well within the small uncertainties of our knowledge of the standards; the diagonal of a square cubit of 20.62 being 40 digits of .729 and the actual mean digit being .727 ± .002. This is certainly the only simple connection that can be traced between the cubit and digit.”

In 1957, Schwaller de Lubicz stated: “the cubit that measures 52.36 centimeters divided by 28.2842, or 20/2, instead of exactly 28 fingers, results in a very short digit measuring 1.85 centimeters; and 28 of these shorter digits would make a cubit of 51.85 centimeters, which has not yet been found as a cubit of 28 digits, but one often comes across the remen cubit measuring 20 of these digits marked on the large royal cubit.” In 1972, Richard Gillings stated: “A double remen was the length of the diagonal of a square whose side was one cubit. Using the royal cubit, which was most commonly the case, a double-remen was therefore 29.1325 inches (/2 × 20.6), and consequently the remen was 14.566 inches. It is thought that the double-remen was used in measuring land, because it enabled areas to be halved or doubled without altering their shapes.” In 2005, Dieter Lelgemann stated: “Development of the old Egyptian length units is connected to the Egyptian method to mark off a square such as the ground plan of the pyramid of Cheops; (Petrie 1934) found a description of this method on an old papyrus. Based on the remen = 370.4 mm, a new length unit was defined, the old royal cubit = /2R = 523.8 mm = 20.62 inches.”



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 20-Nov-19 23:44 by Jim Alison.

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Remen : Meridian 2621 Jim Alison 15-Nov-19 22:52
DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 323 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 17:55
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 312 DUNE 17-Nov-19 09:56
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 288 Jim Alison 17-Nov-19 23:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 291 PB Bytes 17-Nov-19 23:59
Found it! 331 PB Bytes 18-Nov-19 02:55
Re: Found it! 289 Mercurial 20-Nov-19 11:44
Re: Found it! 274 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:42
Squaring The Circle 300 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Nov-19 18:59
Re: Squaring The Circle 295 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Squaring The Circle 285 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:22
Remen references 310 Lee McGiffen 21-Nov-19 01:59
Re: Remen references 310 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 04:29
Re: Remen references 277 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 13:56
Re: Remen references 247 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 20:05
Re: Remen references 271 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 21:17
Re: Remen references 254 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 01:24
Re: Remen references 243 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 12:10
Re: Remen references 299 DUNE 25-Nov-19 13:17
Re: Remen references 211 Jim Alison 16-Jan-20 20:22
Drastic Geodetic Measures and Nippur Cubit 294 thinkitover 25-Nov-19 06:46
Re: Remen references 278 Jim Alison 26-Nov-19 08:04
Re: Remen references 310 Lee McGiffen 27-Nov-19 12:54
Re: Remen references 257 Mercurial 28-Nov-19 22:32
Re: Remen references 326 Jim Alison 01-Dec-19 06:15
Re: Squaring The Circle 320 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 00:47
Re: Squaring The Circle 267 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 02:32
Re: Squaring The Circle 258 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 05:20
Re: Squaring The Circle 335 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 06:26
Egyptian knowledge of √2 260 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:39
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 234 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 01:19
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 283 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 09:45
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 248 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 14:42
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 242 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 16:10
Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 263 geoffss 21-Nov-19 10:49
Re: Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 259 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 11:54
Re: Squaring The Circle 220 molder 20-Dec-19 12:45
Re: Found it! 293 Mercurial 22-Nov-19 06:48
Re: Found it! 259 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 12:01
Re: Found it! 255 PB Bytes 22-Nov-19 15:24
Re: Found it! 292 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 23:55
Re: Found it! 251 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 02:06
Re: Found it! 248 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 02:36
Re: Found it! 243 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Found it! 252 DUNE 23-Nov-19 18:42
Re: Found it! 235 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 19:37
Re: Found it! 253 DUNE 23-Nov-19 20:14
Re: Found it! 242 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:27
Re: Found it! 239 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:46
Re: Found it! 243 DUNE 23-Nov-19 21:37
Re: Found it! 245 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 21:55
Re: Found it! 246 DUNE 23-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Found it! 239 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 22:44
Re: Found it! 299 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:44
Re: Found it! 255 DUNE 24-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Found it! 259 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 18:34
Re: Found it! 246 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 20:59
Re: Found it! 243 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 19:55
Totally debunked 249 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 05:23
NOT Totally debunked 240 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 05:41
eg: NOT Totally debunked 256 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 06:12
Khufu <> Khafre 279 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 00:28
Re: Khufu <> Khafre 242 Mercurial 24-Nov-19 19:12
Khufu <> Khafre - Update 205 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Found it! 267 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:35
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 257 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 252 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:05
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 268 magisterchessmutt 20-Nov-19 00:27
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 253 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 15:34
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 253 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:49
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 256 DUNE 19-Nov-19 10:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 252 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:22
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 244 DUNE 19-Nov-19 15:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 246 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 00:44
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 265 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 16:43
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 251 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 01:07
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 279 PB Bytes 20-Nov-19 01:38
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 250 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:28
Where is this leading? 258 PB Bytes 21-Nov-19 17:19
Re: Where is this leading? 269 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 268 PB Bytes 16-Nov-19 18:00
Re: Remen : Meridian 270 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:09
Excellent! 278 thinkitover 16-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Excellent! 315 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Excellent! 298 Lee McGiffen 18-Nov-19 07:36
Re: Excellent! 293 Jim Alison 18-Nov-19 15:55
Re: Excellent! 273 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:57
Re: Remen : Meridian 267 Spiros 20-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 262 Spiros 20-Nov-19 19:28
Re: Remen : Meridian 257 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 253 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:25
Re: Remen : Meridian 287 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 268 Spiros 20-Nov-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 260 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 23:40
The Earth number 330 hendrik dirker 21-Nov-19 05:48
Re: The Earth number 282 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 13:15
Re: The Earth number 277 molder 22-Nov-19 19:30
Re: The Earth number 251 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:44
Geometry as Metrology? 302 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 22:56
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 267 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 00:04
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 275 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 01:16
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 301 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:36
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 304 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 410 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 02:38
Re: Remen : Meridian 277 DavidK 11-Dec-19 23:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 261 DavidK 12-Dec-19 13:23
Re: Remen : Meridian 306 thinkitover 12-Dec-19 18:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 282 DavidK 12-Dec-19 21:27
Re: Remen : Meridian 234 Jiri Mruzek 13-Dec-19 00:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 221 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 235 Jim Alison 13-Dec-19 03:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 227 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 04:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 222 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 05:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 222 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 227 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:15
Re: Remen : Meridian 227 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 11:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 243 DavidK 13-Dec-19 11:07
Re: Earth circumference 301 drew 17-Dec-19 23:57
Re: Earth circumference 282 DavidK 18-Dec-19 11:29
Re: Earth circumference 252 drew 20-Dec-19 00:22
Re: Earth circumference 256 hendrik dirker 20-Dec-19 06:07
Re: Earth circumference 234 DavidK 20-Dec-19 13:27
Re: Earth circumference 222 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 12:48
Re: Earth circumference 236 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 20:48
Re: Earth circumference 236 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 11:44
Re: Earth circumference 217 drew 20-Dec-19 23:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 224 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 19:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 220 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 01:54
Re: Remen : Meridian 228 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 04:30
Re: Remen : Meridian 225 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 07:43
Re: Remen : Meridian 222 DavidK 21-Dec-19 10:56
Re: Remen : Meridian 223 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 216 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 209 DavidK 21-Dec-19 16:08
Re: Remen : Meridian 238 DavidK 21-Dec-19 12:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 222 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 15:19
Re: Remen : Meridian 217 molder 21-Dec-19 20:33
Re: Remen : Meridian 210 DavidK 21-Dec-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 212 Jim Alison 22-Dec-19 03:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 208 DavidK 22-Dec-19 10:30
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 219 molder 22-Dec-19 13:03
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 214 DavidK 22-Dec-19 15:01
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 219 magisterchessmutt 22-Dec-19 17:13
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 226 DavidK 22-Dec-19 17:32
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 219 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 05:23
Stecchini's Metrics 219 thinkitover 21-Dec-19 16:01
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 221 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 17:17
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 223 thinkitover 24-Dec-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 221 drew 23-Dec-19 00:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 215 Jim Alison 23-Dec-19 02:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 231 DavidK 23-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Remen : Meridian 234 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 01:09
Re: Remen : Meridian 212 drew 27-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 230 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:59
Re: Remen : Meridian 229 drew 28-Dec-19 22:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 285 DavidK 29-Dec-19 00:50
Re: Remen : Meridian 189 Jim Alison 19-Apr-20 18:46
Re: Remen : Meridian 170 drew 22-Apr-20 23:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 181 magisterchessmutt 23-Apr-20 13:03
Re: Remen : Meridian 188 magisterchessmutt 24-Apr-20 08:14
Re: Remen : Meridian 216 Jim Alison 11-Jan-20 03:53
Re: Remen : Meridian 207 DavidK 11-Jan-20 13:54
The Egyptian Remen 14.58333r inches 344 DavidK 11-Jan-20 16:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 211 Jim Alison 22-Jan-20 00:10
Re: Remen : Meridian 201 Mercurial 22-Jan-20 20:59
say hello to rodz? 229 DavidK 11-Jan-20 18:01
Re: say hello to rodz? 211 thinkitover 12-Jan-20 06:03
Re: say hello to rodz? 217 DavidK 12-Jan-20 12:45
Re: say hello to rodz? 291 thinkitover 13-Jan-20 06:41
Re: Remen : Meridian 243 akitu 24-Apr-20 19:26


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