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Hi Spiros,

I think royal cubit:remen is sq rt 2, not 28:20. I think the digit is based on the 20 digit remen. The first few paragraphs of my article talk about this:


In 1940, W.M.F. Petrie stated: “The unit of linear measure was the royal cubit of 20.6 inches. The half diagonal of this was the remen, a second unit of 14.6 inches, which was divided in 20 digits of .73 inches. Thus, by the use of the diagonal, the half of any square area could be readily formed and defined. That this was fully recognized is shown by the half of the area of 100 × 100 cubits being also called remen in land measure. The result of this system was that the royal cubit was 28.28 digits, commonly reckoned as 28 digits, and on one cubit rod the digit value is exactly retained, and the last digit lengthened, to make up 1.28 with the fraction.” 1 “Whether the Egyptian treated the well-known plumb-line as a pendulum is not indicated by any remains, though the plumb-line was commonly in use from very early times. But the notable fact is that 29.157 inches, the diagonal of the 20.62 inch cubit, which was the basis of all land measure, is the length which would swing 100,000 times in 24 hours, exactly true at Memphis Latitude. This is so remarkable that it suggests that it may have been derived from that observed length, and the source entirely forgotten after the scientific age of the pyramid builders.”

In 1883, Petrie stated: “The digit, from about a dozen examples deduced from monuments, I had concluded to be .7276 inches; here, from three clear and certain examples of it, the conclusion is .727 ± .002 for its length in the fourth dynasty, practically identical with the mean value before found. As I have already pointed out, the cubit and digit have no integral relation one to the other, the connection of 28 digits with the cubit being certainly inexact, and merely adopted to avoid fractions. Now these earliest values of the cubit and digit entirely bear out this view; 28 of these digits of .727 is but 20.36 ± .06, in place of the actual cubit of 20.62 ± .01. Is there then any simple connection between the digit and cubit? Considering how in the Great Pyramid, so much of the design appears to be appears to be based on a relation of the squares of linear quantities to one another, or on diagonals of squares, it will not be impossible to entertain the theory of the cubit and digit being reciprocally connected by diagonals. A square cubit has a diagonal of 40 digits, or 20 digits squared has a diagonal of one cubit, thus, a square cubit is the double of a square of 20 digits, so that halves of areas can be readily stated. This relation is true to well within the small uncertainties of our knowledge of the standards; the diagonal of a square cubit of 20.62 being 40 digits of .729 and the actual mean digit being .727 ± .002. This is certainly the only simple connection that can be traced between the cubit and digit.”

In 1957, Schwaller de Lubicz stated: “the cubit that measures 52.36 centimeters divided by 28.2842, or 20/2, instead of exactly 28 fingers, results in a very short digit measuring 1.85 centimeters; and 28 of these shorter digits would make a cubit of 51.85 centimeters, which has not yet been found as a cubit of 28 digits, but one often comes across the remen cubit measuring 20 of these digits marked on the large royal cubit.” In 1972, Richard Gillings stated: “A double remen was the length of the diagonal of a square whose side was one cubit. Using the royal cubit, which was most commonly the case, a double-remen was therefore 29.1325 inches (/2 × 20.6), and consequently the remen was 14.566 inches. It is thought that the double-remen was used in measuring land, because it enabled areas to be halved or doubled without altering their shapes.” In 2005, Dieter Lelgemann stated: “Development of the old Egyptian length units is connected to the Egyptian method to mark off a square such as the ground plan of the pyramid of Cheops; (Petrie 1934) found a description of this method on an old papyrus. Based on the remen = 370.4 mm, a new length unit was defined, the old royal cubit = /2R = 523.8 mm = 20.62 inches.”



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 20-Nov-19 23:44 by Jim Alison.

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Remen : Meridian 1974 Jim Alison 15-Nov-19 22:52
DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 155 Poster Boy 16-Nov-19 17:55
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 141 DUNE 17-Nov-19 09:56
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 115 Jim Alison 17-Nov-19 23:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 112 Poster Boy 17-Nov-19 23:59
Found it! 148 Poster Boy 18-Nov-19 02:55
Re: Found it! 114 Mercurial 20-Nov-19 11:44
Re: Found it! 101 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:42
Squaring The Circle 116 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Nov-19 18:59
Re: Squaring The Circle 114 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Squaring The Circle 113 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:22
Remen references 125 Lee McGiffen 21-Nov-19 01:59
Re: Remen references 126 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 04:29
Re: Remen references 98 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 13:56
Re: Remen references 76 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 20:05
Re: Remen references 93 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 21:17
Re: Remen references 79 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 01:24
Re: Remen references 79 magisterchessmutt 25-Nov-19 12:10
Re: Remen references 106 DUNE 25-Nov-19 13:17
Re: Remen references 51 Jim Alison 16-Jan-20 20:22
Drastic Geodetic Measures and Nippur Cubit 94 thinkitover 25-Nov-19 06:46
Re: Remen references 97 Jim Alison 26-Nov-19 08:04
Re: Remen references 107 Lee McGiffen 27-Nov-19 12:54
Re: Remen references 83 Mercurial 28-Nov-19 22:32
Re: Remen references 111 Jim Alison 01-Dec-19 06:15
Re: Squaring The Circle 129 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 00:47
Re: Squaring The Circle 89 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 02:32
Re: Squaring The Circle 92 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 05:20
Re: Squaring The Circle 140 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 06:26
Egyptian knowledge of √2 93 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:39
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 77 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 01:19
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 102 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 09:45
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 82 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 14:42
Re: Egyptian knowledge of √2 77 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 16:10
Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 89 geoffss 21-Nov-19 10:49
Re: Everything Mick wrote here - 86 pages 84 magisterchessmutt 21-Nov-19 11:54
Re: Squaring The Circle 50 molder 20-Dec-19 12:45
Re: Found it! 96 Mercurial 22-Nov-19 06:48
Re: Found it! 92 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 12:01
Re: Found it! 89 Poster Boy 22-Nov-19 15:24
Re: Found it! 96 magisterchessmutt 22-Nov-19 23:55
Re: Found it! 80 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 02:06
Re: Found it! 81 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 02:36
Re: Found it! 80 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Found it! 87 DUNE 23-Nov-19 18:42
Re: Found it! 75 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 19:37
Re: Found it! 84 DUNE 23-Nov-19 20:14
Re: Found it! 76 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 20:27
Re: Found it! 76 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 20:46
Re: Found it! 82 DUNE 23-Nov-19 21:37
Re: Found it! 80 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 21:55
Re: Found it! 84 DUNE 23-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Found it! 76 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 22:44
Re: Found it! 110 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 17:44
Re: Found it! 80 DUNE 24-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Found it! 84 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 18:34
Re: Found it! 80 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 20:59
Re: Found it! 77 magisterchessmutt 23-Nov-19 19:55
Totally debunked 81 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 05:23
NOT Totally debunked 77 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 05:41
eg: NOT Totally debunked 89 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 06:12
Khufu <> Khafre 97 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 00:28
Re: Khufu <> Khafre 73 Mercurial 24-Nov-19 19:12
Khufu <> Khafre - Update 37 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Found it! 96 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:35
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 96 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:45
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 86 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:05
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 91 magisterchessmutt 20-Nov-19 00:27
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 84 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 15:34
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 82 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:49
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 88 DUNE 19-Nov-19 10:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 82 Jim Alison 19-Nov-19 14:22
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 83 DUNE 19-Nov-19 15:37
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 79 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 00:44
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 95 Poster Boy 19-Nov-19 16:43
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 82 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 01:07
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 99 Poster Boy 20-Nov-19 01:38
Re: DUNE!: Remen : Meridian 84 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 14:28
Where is this leading? 89 Poster Boy 21-Nov-19 17:19
Re: Where is this leading? 91 Lee McGiffen 22-Nov-19 06:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 105 Poster Boy 16-Nov-19 18:00
Re: Remen : Meridian 103 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:09
Excellent! 107 thinkitover 16-Nov-19 18:29
Re: Excellent! 134 Jim Alison 16-Nov-19 22:24
Re: Excellent! 107 Lee McGiffen 18-Nov-19 07:36
Re: Excellent! 109 Jim Alison 18-Nov-19 15:55
Re: Excellent! 104 magisterchessmutt 19-Nov-19 03:57
Re: Remen : Meridian 96 Spiros 20-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 87 Spiros 20-Nov-19 19:28
Re: Remen : Meridian 87 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 20:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 79 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:25
Re: Remen : Meridian 102 Spiros 20-Nov-19 22:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 86 Spiros 20-Nov-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 94 Jim Alison 20-Nov-19 23:40
The Earth number 144 hendrik dirker 21-Nov-19 05:48
Re: The Earth number 122 Jim Alison 21-Nov-19 13:15
Re: The Earth number 103 molder 22-Nov-19 19:30
Re: The Earth number 84 Jim Alison 23-Nov-19 01:44
Geometry as Metrology? 103 thinkitover 23-Nov-19 22:56
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 93 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 00:04
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 97 Jim Alison 24-Nov-19 01:16
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 104 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:36
Re: Geometry as Metrology? 129 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 01:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 133 magisterchessmutt 24-Nov-19 02:38
Re: Remen : Meridian 93 DavidK 11-Dec-19 23:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 79 DavidK 12-Dec-19 13:23
Re: Remen : Meridian 69 thinkitover 12-Dec-19 18:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 82 DavidK 12-Dec-19 21:27
Re: Remen : Meridian 61 Jiri Mruzek 13-Dec-19 00:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 58 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:51
Re: Remen : Meridian 62 Jim Alison 13-Dec-19 03:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 61 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 04:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 62 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 05:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 63 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:58
Re: Remen : Meridian 63 DavidK 13-Dec-19 09:15
Re: Remen : Meridian 55 magisterchessmutt 13-Dec-19 11:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 73 DavidK 13-Dec-19 11:07
Re: Earth circumference 82 drew 17-Dec-19 23:57
Re: Earth circumference 82 DavidK 18-Dec-19 11:29
Re: Earth circumference 86 drew 20-Dec-19 00:22
Re: Earth circumference 73 hendrik dirker 20-Dec-19 06:07
Re: Earth circumference 70 DavidK 20-Dec-19 13:27
Re: Earth circumference 53 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 12:48
Re: Earth circumference 63 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 20:48
Re: Earth circumference 60 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-19 11:44
Re: Earth circumference 56 drew 20-Dec-19 23:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 61 Jim Alison 20-Dec-19 19:26
Re: Remen : Meridian 63 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 01:54
Re: Remen : Meridian 60 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 04:30
Re: Remen : Meridian 50 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 07:43
Re: Remen : Meridian 53 DavidK 21-Dec-19 10:56
Re: Remen : Meridian 59 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 53 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 11:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 47 DavidK 21-Dec-19 16:08
Re: Remen : Meridian 69 DavidK 21-Dec-19 12:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 54 Jim Alison 21-Dec-19 15:19
Re: Remen : Meridian 52 molder 21-Dec-19 20:33
Re: Remen : Meridian 48 DavidK 21-Dec-19 23:49
Re: Remen : Meridian 54 Jim Alison 22-Dec-19 03:02
Re: Remen : Meridian 56 DavidK 22-Dec-19 10:30
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 55 molder 22-Dec-19 13:03
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 52 DavidK 22-Dec-19 15:01
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 65 magisterchessmutt 22-Dec-19 17:13
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 66 DavidK 22-Dec-19 17:32
Re: Roman measures Hang on let us get this right. 60 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 05:23
Stecchini's Metrics 58 thinkitover 21-Dec-19 16:01
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 66 magisterchessmutt 21-Dec-19 17:17
Re: Stecchini's Metrics 58 thinkitover 24-Dec-19 15:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 59 drew 23-Dec-19 00:44
Re: Remen : Meridian 59 Jim Alison 23-Dec-19 02:55
Re: Remen : Meridian 68 DavidK 23-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Remen : Meridian 74 Jim Alison 24-Dec-19 01:09
Re: Remen : Meridian 50 drew 27-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Remen : Meridian 58 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:59
Re: Remen : Meridian 54 drew 28-Dec-19 22:24
Re: Remen : Meridian 98 DavidK 29-Dec-19 00:50
Re: Remen : Meridian 55 Jim Alison 11-Jan-20 03:53
Re: Remen : Meridian 50 DavidK 11-Jan-20 13:54
The Egyptian Remen 14.58333r inches 59 DavidK 11-Jan-20 16:48
Re: Remen : Meridian 42 Jim Alison 22-Jan-20 00:10
Re: Remen : Meridian 36 Mercurial 22-Jan-20 20:59
say hello to rodz? 59 DavidK 11-Jan-20 18:01
Re: say hello to rodz? 44 thinkitover 12-Jan-20 06:03
Re: say hello to rodz? 51 DavidK 12-Jan-20 12:45
Re: say hello to rodz? 48 thinkitover 13-Jan-20 06:41


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