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Corpuscles Wrote:
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> Hi
>
> I was unaware of the post by M Stower (HoM - later
> provided by Merrell)
> There are a number of good points raised.

The drawing with associated footnotes makes it clear it belongs to Dahshur.

> I am guessing but I reckon Hawass is mistakenly,
> referring to or pointing out, numbers on the CC
> chevrons and likely assuming there once was, or
> is, some faint remaining mark, thought to be
> originally a M4. and assuming that was what
> Petrie referred to?

Maybe. Seems odd though Hawass would point at something in a video that is not actually there and say its faded away and also report he took people to see among others specifically this inscription.

> I think it is a big stretch you are making to
> suggest that the Wadi al jarf documents relate to
> Djedefre or other later king.

I may be wrong, but I do not find it a "big" stretch and ultimately a question worth asking. The 17th year cattle count is not required to be located at G1 and is noted mostly to highlight the folly of using two years for the cattle count instead of one which is just as well demonstrated at Dahshur.

The point being the 13th cattle count at Wadi al-Jarf may just as well be reffering to the 13th (14th?) year of reign as compared to the 27th yet these documents are clearly associated with the end of the occupation of these galleries being stuffed among the blocking stones at some point after the last time they were put in place.

Ankhhaf, named in these documents, was thought to be vizier under Khafre whose tomb regardless was not completed until Khafre's reign meaning it is very likely Ankhhaf was vizier under Djedefre and perhaps Khafre as well.

> As you know there were crew names associated
> directly to their king elsewhere (eg Drunkards of
> Menkaure)
> Yet the only ones found at Wadi al Jarf refer to
> Khufu alone.

These were teams of boat crews in which some with Khufu's name were found at Wadi al-Jarf, like for example, according to Talet: "its prow is the ureaus of Khenemkhuefuj (Khufu)". Some other teams are noted on the outside blocking stones.

There is no doubt Khufu in one form or another is well attested at Wadi al-Jarf, namely Zone 1, but in Zone 5 there are several instances of Khafre's name apparently years after Khufu had left. Khafre is also credited with founding the harbor of Ayn Sukhna in the north yet why no evidence at either of Djedefre? He didn't need a harbor in the Red Sea...?

In context of my greater thought are the boat pits of G1 which Djedefre is well attested.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01-Dec-19 15:50 by Thanos5150.

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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1600 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 295 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 250 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 139 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 211 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 185 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 230 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 160 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 191 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 98 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 181 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 160 Poster Boy 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 136 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 98 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 117 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 98 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 91 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 91 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 81 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 101 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 117 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 116 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 181 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 95 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 87 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 82 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 63 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 99 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 94 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 99 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 102 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 83 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 97 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 75 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 87 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 103 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 169 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 83 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 106 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 82 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 87 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 103 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 82 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 68 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 78 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 74 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 74 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 74 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 76 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 69 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 67 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 84 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 110 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 125 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 65 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 97 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 73 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 59 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 98 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 476 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 80 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 69 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 93 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 120 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 71 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 66 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 73 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 72 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 76 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 75 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 87 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 69 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 69 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 70 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 66 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 72 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 70 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 72 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 59 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 73 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 63 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 66 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 67 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 99 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 72 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 65 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 78 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 69 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 54 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 71 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 55 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 106 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 88 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 84 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 71 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 72 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 88 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 77 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 88 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 91 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 140 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 58 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 67 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 75 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 54 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 78 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 61 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 59 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 67 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 70 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 69 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 196 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 66 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 68 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 68 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 58 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 106 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 77 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 79 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 71 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 82 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 55 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 100 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 116 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 79 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 80 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 91 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 81 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 82 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 69 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 63 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 68 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 64 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 60 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 84 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 64 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 77 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 96 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 86 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 91 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 100 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 103 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 116 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 753 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 106 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 127 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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