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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> "An inscription containing his highest regnal
> year, the "Year of the 17th Count of Khufu", first
> mentioned by Flinders Petrie in an 1883 book and
> then lost to historians, was rediscovered by
> Zahi Hawass in 2001 in one of the relieving
> chambers within Khufu's pyramid
".
>
> To resolve the matter we need the primary source.

Hi

I was unaware of the post by M Stower (HoM - later provided by Merrell)
There are a number of good points raised.

One of them is Goyen highlights that Grinsell wrote the inscription was originally thought by Petrie to be in the first RC (ie Davisons?) but declares it is a mistake. (the French part)

If there is one thing we can be certain M Stower would be (was?) completely familiar with all and every inscriptions in RC's recorded by (Vyse/Perring/Hill). If it is not in those records , then where is this inscription?

There are a series of numbers found on the chevrons of Campbell's. I seem to recall SC making a big deal about whether cardinal or ordinal in nature, and claiming the same depiction (you posted) is there. However, such numbers appear to be relating to the order of the slabs nothing to do with king's regnal year. Is it actually accompanied by Gardiner M4 glyph? .

I am guessing but I reckon Hawass is mistakenly, referring to or pointing out, numbers on the CC chevrons and likely assuming there once was, or is, some faint remaining mark, thought to be originally a M4. and assuming that was what Petrie referred to?

I think it is a big stretch you are making to suggest that the Wadi al jarf documents relate to Djedefre or other later king.
As you know there were crew names associated directly to their king elsewhere (eg Drunkards of Menkaure)
Yet the only ones found at Wadi al Jarf refer to Khufu alone.

Also regnal year has to be consistent it is either doubled assuming 2 yr or 1yr single count. They can't as far as I am aware be both? Can someone more knowledgeable give advice please
(I haven't checked but believe I have seen photo's of the papyri al jarf with the bulls head symbol clearly indicating cattle count )

2 cents
Cheers

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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1641 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 313 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 269 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 149 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 233 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 213 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 246 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 173 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 209 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 107 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 195 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 188 Poster Boy 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 144 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 107 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 125 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 99 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 106 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 102 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 102 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 111 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 127 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 125 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 189 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 104 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 95 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 94 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 72 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 109 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 103 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 110 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 112 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 104 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 85 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 96 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 112 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 177 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 115 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 91 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 97 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 112 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 91 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 79 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 87 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 82 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 86 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 85 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 83 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 80 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 76 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 93 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 123 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 143 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 73 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 107 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 81 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 68 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 107 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 485 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 92 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 78 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 104 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 137 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 79 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 75 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 81 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 81 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 84 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 82 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 96 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 77 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 78 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 79 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 75 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 80 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 78 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 81 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 66 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 81 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 72 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 73 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 74 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 108 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 81 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 75 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 85 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 78 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 61 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 80 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 63 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 120 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 95 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 93 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 80 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 79 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 97 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 88 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 96 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 102 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 150 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 68 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 74 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 84 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 64 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 101 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 73 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 68 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 76 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 78 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 82 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 205 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 75 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 78 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 77 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 68 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 121 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 86 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 87 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 78 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 62 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 110 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 139 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 91 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 99 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 94 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 77 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 71 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 76 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 70 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 67 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 95 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 72 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 87 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 104 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 96 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 101 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 109 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 114 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 126 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 763 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 116 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 143 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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