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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Merrell Wrote:
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> > I'm afraid I'm unable to read that inscription.
>
> Martin can. So can others. This drawing may be
> from Lepsius, but regardless of any past confusion
> Hawass has verified the existence of something of
> the same in G1.

The point is that the available evidence points to Hawass not being correct on this question - as Martin Stower (who, as you rightly pointed out, can read inscriptions) indicated here:

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I have been puzzled by this ‘year 17’ story for years, as there is no sign of any such date in Vyse/Perring/Hill.

Goyon debunked it in Le secret des bâtisseurs des grandes pyramides: Khéops, first published in 1977.

This is what he wrote in an endnote:
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156. On avait, par erreur, rapporté qu'on avait trouvé la date 17 du règne de Khéops dans la première chambre de décharge de la pyramide de ce roi (Petrie, Hist of Egypt, 1927, 60; Grinsell, Egyptian Pyramids, 1947, 105). En fait, cette date a été trouvée à Dahchour (Lepsius, Denk. II, p. 1).
Early editions of Petrie’s History of Egypt had this (on page 41 in the third edition, 1897):
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The name of the king is found repeatedly written in red paint, among the quarry marks, on the blocks of masonry above the King's chamber; this establishes the traditional attribution of the pyramid. . . .
In the tenth edition (1923), this changed to the following (on page 60):
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The name of the king is found repeatedly written in red paint, with the date of the 17th year on the blocks of masonry above the King's chamber; this establishes the traditional attribution of the pyramid. . . .
Grinsell merely cites Petrie.

Although the year specified in the Lepsius lithograph (at Dashur, not Giza!):

[edoc3.bibliothek.uni-halle.de]

—is 16 rather than 17, I remain persuaded that Goyon is right: Petrie has misattributed a date from elsewhere to Giza, probably through misreading (and misremembering?) the illustration in Lepsius. We may note that Petrie always cites Lepsius for these marks, rather than Vyse/Perring/Hill; this is a pity, as the Lepsius is (to a moral certainty) based on Hill and Perring and not on a new drawing. Close examination of Perring might have dispensed with the error at the outset.

It does not help that Hawass made this part of his routine: “year 17, it was—it’s fading.”

> > However, as pointed out in
this archive post
> > (NB, the first YouTube link is dead), neither
> > Perring nor Reisner/Rowe shows anything
> resembling a date.
> >
> > Nor could I find any mention of the supposed
> > "Khufu and Year 17" question in Gardiner,
> Regnal > > Years and Civil Calendar, JEA 31 (Dec., 1945),
> > 11-28.
>
> Which is all irrelevant though now isn't it if
> Hawass has in fact confirmed it's existence...?

Well: please see comments/discussion above ...

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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1639 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 312 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 267 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 147 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 232 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 212 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 245 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 172 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 207 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 107 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 194 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 186 Poster Boy 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 144 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 107 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 124 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 98 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 106 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 101 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 102 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 89 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 110 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 126 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 123 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 188 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 103 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 95 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 93 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 70 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 109 Poster Boy 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 102 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 110 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 112 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 104 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 84 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 96 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 112 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 176 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 89 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 115 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 91 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 97 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 112 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 77 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 85 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 82 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 86 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 83 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 83 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 80 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 76 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 93 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 123 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 143 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 73 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 106 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 81 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 67 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 107 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 484 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 78 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 104 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 137 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 79 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 74 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 80 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 81 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 84 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 82 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 95 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 77 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 78 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 79 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 75 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 79 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 77 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 81 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 66 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 81 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 72 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 73 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 74 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 107 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 79 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 73 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 85 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 78 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 61 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 80 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 63 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 119 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 95 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 92 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 79 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 78 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 96 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 88 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 96 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 101 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 149 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 67 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 74 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 84 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 64 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 99 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 73 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 66 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 76 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 77 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 82 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 203 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 74 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 78 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 77 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 67 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 121 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 86 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 87 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 78 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 90 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 62 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 110 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 89 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 89 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 99 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 89 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 94 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 77 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 71 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 75 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 70 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 67 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 94 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 71 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 86 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 103 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 94 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 101 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 109 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 113 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 124 Poster Boy 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 763 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 116 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 143 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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