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seasmith Wrote:
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> Very well put.
> Nevermind the degeneracy of popular speech and the
> clonish generational babble like with that
> plaintiff, high-pitched bleat at end of each like
> sentence (attention?) hindering work; we the
> populace are still learning how to deal with
> script. Printing seems to highlight style at the
> expense of graphic meaning, and words are reduced
> to web code.
> It's clear watching any child (or primate)
> learning to vocalize, that behind every intended
> sound lay corresponding shapes and forms, in a way
> archetypal of the sound And the symbol.

> Children sign before they symbol...

> Old languages never die, they just
> fade a way


Good points.

This touches something other posters have suggested to me as being possible. There could be shapes or symbols naturally associated with specific ideas or words. It's entirely possible that many of these are preserved in architecture, sign languages, alphabets, etc, etc. So much of everything that is the modern world are remnants of Ancient Language, ancient vocabulary, ancient science etc that there could be many other less apparent ties to our wholly forgotten past.

I've long believed that change in language is evil though this is opposite what all the experts say. I think we should sit down and fix some of the most glaring problems with language but the changes over time are mere "drift" with no rhyme or reason and are not leading to any possible improvement. I don't care what the English word for "Peking" is this week. It's a different city each time you visit but the name needs to be fixed anyway.

I wonder if reading and writing might have been much more "natural" to ancient people and this might account for the differences rather than "scribal error". If writing was invented to preserve meaning in pidgin (modern) languages then the nature of ancient symbols and signs might wholly elude us. Perhaps each (Ancient Language speaking) person "reads" the language he hears and "writes" what he says! With so few words this might facilitate remembering them. It might just help thinking and speed the ability to "think". All of my thought isn't in English words, some are like "iff" (if and only if) or "if A then B".

I can't see the "invention" of writing as some big deal. If it were so important then what happened to ancient knowledge and why does history start 1000 years after writing? Where are the ancient masterpieces of literature and science? There is nothing complex in the least about converting speech to writing and anybody should have been able to devise a means at any time. I believe they didn't only because there was no need. Only when knowledge became so complex and pidgin languages began arising did any need exist.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 1746 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:56
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 223 Spiros 03-Sep-19 10:50
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 208 MDaines 03-Sep-19 12:59
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 200 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 13:22
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 256 MDaines 03-Sep-19 13:51
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 125 cladking 13-Oct-19 16:08
For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 157 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:52
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 161 Spiros 07-Sep-19 07:18
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 128 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 17:16
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 142 Spiros 07-Sep-19 17:26
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 132 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 16:17
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 139 Eddie Larry 07-Sep-19 18:13
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 142 drrayeye 08-Sep-19 01:44
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 162 Thanos5150 09-Sep-19 17:15
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 149 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 16:34
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 141 Thanos5150 11-Sep-19 15:55
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 144 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 18:06
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 131 Thanos5150 11-Sep-19 23:21
different Patterns of influence 130 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 03:02
Re: different Patterns of influence 133 Thanos5150 12-Sep-19 03:14
Re: different Patterns of influence 156 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 03:42
Seriously? 177 Barbelo 09-Sep-19 22:34
modern psycholinguistic considerations 121 drrayeye 17-Sep-19 20:43
Re: modern psycholinguistic considerations 122 Eddie Larry 17-Sep-19 22:06
further cognitive limits on alphabet construction 121 drrayeye 21-Sep-19 20:07
HW CM Y CN RD THS? 124 drrayeye 24-Sep-19 20:32
Re: HW CM Y CN RD THS? 108 Eddie Larry 24-Sep-19 20:49
Some of the answers 137 drrayeye 25-Sep-19 01:58
Re: Some of the answers 117 Eddie Larry 04-Oct-19 15:01
Re: Some of the answers 105 drrayeye 05-Oct-19 06:01
Hypothesis 108 drrayeye 04-Oct-19 04:26
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 112 seasmith 07-Oct-19 03:37
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 126 seasmith 07-Oct-19 03:44
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 105 drrayeye 08-Oct-19 06:55
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 95 seasmith 10-Oct-19 00:27
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 98 drrayeye 11-Oct-19 03:22
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 96 seasmith 12-Oct-19 01:39
Could you add 92 drrayeye 12-Oct-19 02:14
History of the alphabet 88 Sirfiroth 12-Oct-19 02:59
Re: History of the alphabet 84 drrayeye 12-Oct-19 04:00
Re: History of the alphabet 83 Eddie Larry 12-Oct-19 04:05
Re: History of the alphabet 90 drrayeye 12-Oct-19 06:32
Re: History of the alphabet 92 Eddie Larry 12-Oct-19 14:52
Re: History of the alphabet 87 drrayeye 13-Oct-19 05:06
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 111 cladking 13-Oct-19 02:44
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 116 cladking 13-Oct-19 13:24
Psycholinguistics 83 drrayeye 15-Oct-19 19:36
Re: Psycholinguistics 89 cladking 15-Oct-19 20:17
Re: Psycholinguistics 210 drrayeye 16-Oct-19 01:15
Re: Psycholinguistics 84 cladking 27-Oct-19 14:51
Re: Psycholinguistics 79 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 02:04
Re: Psycholinguistics 65 cladking 03-Nov-19 14:36
Infants, Babies, and young children 68 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 23:02
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 75 cladking 04-Nov-19 15:10
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 75 drrayeye 04-Nov-19 17:21
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 90 cladking 05-Nov-19 01:57
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 119 drrayeye 05-Nov-19 18:40
Speechery & Glyphery 80 seasmith 03-Nov-19 04:02
Re: Speechery & Glyphery 71 cladking 03-Nov-19 15:02
Sign, symbol, and meaning: linguistic relativity 69 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 23:25
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 94 seasmith 13-Oct-19 17:20
Do you have an example of an alphabet that is Not syllabic ? 90 drrayeye 13-Oct-19 22:46
I'm familiar with Rohl 86 drrayeye 13-Oct-19 23:12
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 92 seasmith 13-Oct-19 23:53
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 94 drrayeye 14-Oct-19 02:15
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 97 seasmith 14-Oct-19 18:29
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 87 drrayeye 14-Oct-19 19:21
Ancient written symbols 94 drrayeye 17-Oct-19 01:01
Summary: part one 91 drrayeye 20-Oct-19 07:12
Re: Summary: part two 87 drrayeye 27-Oct-19 06:36
Re: Summary: part one 84 cladking 27-Oct-19 14:30


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