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drrayeye Wrote:
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> The very earliest ability to discern and produce
> sounds at about 9 months is called babbling. The
> baby seems to be talking away--but the pseudo
> speaking seems just to be exploring articulatory
> capabilities. Over the next months, the child
> seems to go through "babbling drift," when the
> speech sounds of the child's speaking community
> tend to dominate, ending in the pronunciations of
> meaningful words.

Babies communicate from birth but we are very poor at understanding it and reciprocating it. There are numerous reasons we are so poor but that babies have little ability to modulate their voices or to understand the world around them are chief among them. We don't expect communication so we tend to overlook it. We don't understand their world so we don't know what to look for. While there are commonalities between baby communication there are some differences as well and they all involve gestures, body language, and signs. The formatting for this means of communicating and understanding is different than the formatting we learn as language and use to communicate which makes memory retrieval of anything from our own babyhoods very improbable.

We tend to assume that since babies aren't saying much and can't understand much language it follows they don't think much but this really isn't true. Much of their activity is geared toward maturation and modelling their world in their brains. By the time they start babbling they are starting to work on learning their parents' language. But babies are very adept at learning important word meanings long before this though quite often such word must be signed to achieve actual communication.

> Full mastery of those sounds may never happen, but
> having enough control to communicate effectively
> is mastered by age four.

I believe "communication" now means something entirely different than it did to cavebabies or pyramid building babies. We take years to master modern language and simply never notice that this language must rewrite the brain and the way we think. We can't even imagine that we are born with what was once a perfectly "normal", "natural", and effective language which we outgrew.

> Meanwhile, the ability to notice visual details
> and control eye movements is very advanced atan
> early age. Putting sounds and symbols together is
> normally possible as soon as speech is ready.
>
> There's no reason why those two abilities couldn't
> have developed and remain somewhat separate from
> each other.

Babies understand far more of their world than your words seem to imply. They will certainly let everyone know when they are uncomfortable and provide information to let people know what's needed to become comfortable. But they also enjoy games, exercise, and clowning. They love to explore so crawling is of paramount importance to the very young and marks an important milestone. Even before they crawl they like expeditions and seeing new things. Odors and tastes are most easily keyed to memory so these are very stimulating for them. When they get a little older tactile stimulation becomes more important.

The whole time they've got a great deal to say but we can't "hear" them because we speak a different language.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 1752 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:56
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 225 Spiros 03-Sep-19 10:50
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 209 MDaines 03-Sep-19 12:59
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 202 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 13:22
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 257 MDaines 03-Sep-19 13:51
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 128 cladking 13-Oct-19 16:08
For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 159 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:52
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 162 Spiros 07-Sep-19 07:18
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 129 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 17:16
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 144 Spiros 07-Sep-19 17:26
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 133 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 16:17
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 141 Eddie Larry 07-Sep-19 18:13
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 143 drrayeye 08-Sep-19 01:44
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 165 Thanos5150 09-Sep-19 17:15
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 151 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 16:34
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 143 Thanos5150 11-Sep-19 15:55
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 145 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 18:06
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 132 Thanos5150 11-Sep-19 23:21
different Patterns of influence 131 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 03:02
Re: different Patterns of influence 134 Thanos5150 12-Sep-19 03:14
Re: different Patterns of influence 158 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 03:42
Seriously? 178 Barbelo 09-Sep-19 22:34
modern psycholinguistic considerations 122 drrayeye 17-Sep-19 20:43
Re: modern psycholinguistic considerations 125 Eddie Larry 17-Sep-19 22:06
further cognitive limits on alphabet construction 122 drrayeye 21-Sep-19 20:07
HW CM Y CN RD THS? 127 drrayeye 24-Sep-19 20:32
Re: HW CM Y CN RD THS? 109 Eddie Larry 24-Sep-19 20:49
Some of the answers 140 drrayeye 25-Sep-19 01:58
Re: Some of the answers 120 Eddie Larry 04-Oct-19 15:01
Re: Some of the answers 107 drrayeye 05-Oct-19 06:01
Hypothesis 109 drrayeye 04-Oct-19 04:26
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 114 seasmith 07-Oct-19 03:37
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 128 seasmith 07-Oct-19 03:44
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 106 drrayeye 08-Oct-19 06:55
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 97 seasmith 10-Oct-19 00:27
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 99 drrayeye 11-Oct-19 03:22
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 98 seasmith 12-Oct-19 01:39
Could you add 97 drrayeye 12-Oct-19 02:14
History of the alphabet 90 Sirfiroth 12-Oct-19 02:59
Re: History of the alphabet 86 drrayeye 12-Oct-19 04:00
Re: History of the alphabet 84 Eddie Larry 12-Oct-19 04:05
Re: History of the alphabet 91 drrayeye 12-Oct-19 06:32
Re: History of the alphabet 93 Eddie Larry 12-Oct-19 14:52
Re: History of the alphabet 89 drrayeye 13-Oct-19 05:06
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 112 cladking 13-Oct-19 02:44
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 118 cladking 13-Oct-19 13:24
Psycholinguistics 85 drrayeye 15-Oct-19 19:36
Re: Psycholinguistics 91 cladking 15-Oct-19 20:17
Re: Psycholinguistics 212 drrayeye 16-Oct-19 01:15
Re: Psycholinguistics 85 cladking 27-Oct-19 14:51
Re: Psycholinguistics 80 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 02:04
Re: Psycholinguistics 67 cladking 03-Nov-19 14:36
Infants, Babies, and young children 70 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 23:02
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 78 cladking 04-Nov-19 15:10
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 79 drrayeye 04-Nov-19 17:21
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 91 cladking 05-Nov-19 01:57
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 123 drrayeye 05-Nov-19 18:40
Speechery & Glyphery 82 seasmith 03-Nov-19 04:02
Re: Speechery & Glyphery 73 cladking 03-Nov-19 15:02
Sign, symbol, and meaning: linguistic relativity 71 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 23:25
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 95 seasmith 13-Oct-19 17:20
Do you have an example of an alphabet that is Not syllabic ? 92 drrayeye 13-Oct-19 22:46
I'm familiar with Rohl 88 drrayeye 13-Oct-19 23:12
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 94 seasmith 13-Oct-19 23:53
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 96 drrayeye 14-Oct-19 02:15
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 99 seasmith 14-Oct-19 18:29
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 88 drrayeye 14-Oct-19 19:21
Ancient written symbols 95 drrayeye 17-Oct-19 01:01
Summary: part one 92 drrayeye 20-Oct-19 07:12
Re: Summary: part two 88 drrayeye 27-Oct-19 06:36
Re: Summary: part one 86 cladking 27-Oct-19 14:30


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