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cladking wrote:
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> The ability to make sounds is innate but consider
> many individuals have difficulty making every
> sound even in their own language. Half of TV
> anchormen (I don't watch any longer) can't
> properly pronounce all or any of the "R" sounds in
> English. This is quite common even among the
> (more intelligent) general population. That
> babies babel can hardly be construed to support
> the ideas that language follows progress or that
> the ability to produce sounds drives language. I
> have no doubt that many linguists can't pronounce
> every sound in their own language. The only
> thing certain to be deducible from babbling is
> that sound precedes language and this is mostly
> worthless knowledge. That babbling occurs in
> almost every individual is more important.
>
> It seems apparent that writing arose from language
> which arose from a sudden ability to engage in
> complex behavior. In individuals language leads
> to knowledge and the ability to increase knowledge
> even beyond what is known by the culture. There
> are myriad ways that language leads to knowledge
> but chief among them are listening and reading
> (one and two way communication).

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Very well put.
Nevermind the degeneracy of popular speech and the clonish generational babble like with that plaintiff, high-pitched bleat at end of each like sentence (attention?) hindering work; we the populace are still learning how to deal with script. Printing seems to highlight style at the expense of graphic meaning, and words are reduced to web code.
It's clear watching any child (or primate) learning to vocalize, that behind every intended sound lay corresponding shapes and forms, in a way archetypal of the sound And the symbol.



dr ray,

Children sign before they symbol...


Old languages never die, they just fade a way

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Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 1744 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:56
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 222 Spiros 03-Sep-19 10:50
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 207 MDaines 03-Sep-19 12:59
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 200 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 13:22
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 255 MDaines 03-Sep-19 13:51
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 124 cladking 13-Oct-19 16:08
For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 156 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:52
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 160 Spiros 07-Sep-19 07:18
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 127 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 17:16
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 142 Spiros 07-Sep-19 17:26
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 131 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 16:17
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 137 Eddie Larry 07-Sep-19 18:13
Re: For those who believe Moses wrote in "pre Hebrew" 141 drrayeye 08-Sep-19 01:44
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 162 Thanos5150 09-Sep-19 17:15
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 148 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 16:34
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 140 Thanos5150 11-Sep-19 15:55
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 143 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 18:06
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 129 Thanos5150 11-Sep-19 23:21
different Patterns of influence 128 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 03:02
Re: different Patterns of influence 131 Thanos5150 12-Sep-19 03:14
Re: different Patterns of influence 155 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 03:42
Seriously? 176 Barbelo 09-Sep-19 22:34
modern psycholinguistic considerations 119 drrayeye 17-Sep-19 20:43
Re: modern psycholinguistic considerations 121 Eddie Larry 17-Sep-19 22:06
further cognitive limits on alphabet construction 120 drrayeye 21-Sep-19 20:07
HW CM Y CN RD THS? 124 drrayeye 24-Sep-19 20:32
Re: HW CM Y CN RD THS? 107 Eddie Larry 24-Sep-19 20:49
Some of the answers 136 drrayeye 25-Sep-19 01:58
Re: Some of the answers 116 Eddie Larry 04-Oct-19 15:01
Re: Some of the answers 105 drrayeye 05-Oct-19 06:01
Hypothesis 107 drrayeye 04-Oct-19 04:26
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 111 seasmith 07-Oct-19 03:37
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 126 seasmith 07-Oct-19 03:44
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 104 drrayeye 08-Oct-19 06:55
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 95 seasmith 10-Oct-19 00:27
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 97 drrayeye 11-Oct-19 03:22
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 95 seasmith 12-Oct-19 01:39
Could you add 91 drrayeye 12-Oct-19 02:14
History of the alphabet 87 Sirfiroth 12-Oct-19 02:59
Re: History of the alphabet 84 drrayeye 12-Oct-19 04:00
Re: History of the alphabet 81 Eddie Larry 12-Oct-19 04:05
Re: History of the alphabet 89 drrayeye 12-Oct-19 06:32
Re: History of the alphabet 91 Eddie Larry 12-Oct-19 14:52
Re: History of the alphabet 87 drrayeye 13-Oct-19 05:06
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 109 cladking 13-Oct-19 02:44
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 115 cladking 13-Oct-19 13:24
Psycholinguistics 82 drrayeye 15-Oct-19 19:36
Re: Psycholinguistics 88 cladking 15-Oct-19 20:17
Re: Psycholinguistics 209 drrayeye 16-Oct-19 01:15
Re: Psycholinguistics 83 cladking 27-Oct-19 14:51
Re: Psycholinguistics 77 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 02:04
Re: Psycholinguistics 65 cladking 03-Nov-19 14:36
Infants, Babies, and young children 67 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 23:02
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 73 cladking 04-Nov-19 15:10
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 75 drrayeye 04-Nov-19 17:21
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 89 cladking 05-Nov-19 01:57
Re: Infants, Babies, and young children 118 drrayeye 05-Nov-19 18:40
Speechery & Glyphery 79 seasmith 03-Nov-19 04:02
Re: Speechery & Glyphery 71 cladking 03-Nov-19 15:02
Sign, symbol, and meaning: linguistic relativity 68 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 23:25
Re: Who invented the first syllabic alphabet? 92 seasmith 13-Oct-19 17:20
Do you have an example of an alphabet that is Not syllabic ? 89 drrayeye 13-Oct-19 22:46
I'm familiar with Rohl 86 drrayeye 13-Oct-19 23:12
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 92 seasmith 13-Oct-19 23:53
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 93 drrayeye 14-Oct-19 02:15
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 96 seasmith 14-Oct-19 18:29
Re: I'm familiar with Rohl 85 drrayeye 14-Oct-19 19:21
Ancient written symbols 92 drrayeye 17-Oct-19 01:01
Summary: part one 90 drrayeye 20-Oct-19 07:12
Re: Summary: part two 86 drrayeye 27-Oct-19 06:36
Re: Summary: part one 82 cladking 27-Oct-19 14:30


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