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engbren Wrote:
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> Manu sent me a link to his blog where he comes to
> a similar conclusion regarding Khufu and the
> moon:
>
> [cheopspyramid.com]
> iza-architecture/
>
> I haven’t considered the importance of the
> number 41 in any of my analysis of the Westcar
> Papyrus. Outside of Manus suggestion one other
> linkage to astronomical themes would be the 41,000
> year cycle of obliquity.

Many thanks to you and manu for an interesting riddle. I don't know what the answer really is and I'm sure there are other answers, but I'll go out on a limb here for the slight chance of it being helpful somehow. I don't know that any of this is going to be terribly lunar, but more like suggestive of a more integrative timekeeping system perhaps. This 41 looks like it might be an important calendar number that someone forgot to tell me about.

(Usual disclaimer: I'm not a big believer in paying attention to where a decimal point goes, so readers' mileage may vary by 10^n).

1). 41 is roughly the reciprocal of 2 Remens in feet, or if one prefers and most probably do, of 1/2 of 1/3 of the 365 day year -- thus 1 / (365 / 1.5) = 41.09589041.

2). 365 x 225 = 82125 = 41.0625 x 2 x 10^3, even though the Maya are supposed have treated this as "819", i.e, 364 x 2.25 or 3.64 x 225.

3). I recently obtained not only the Mayan 18980 almost exactly (1 / 5.2684 = 18981.0948), but also a ratio of 819.3458497 from the first 16 unfamiliar numbers I grabbed from the "Design of Time" site, specifically 2834.93664 / 346 = 819.3458497 / 100, very closely resembling a figure of 819.2165592 I've already been working with in my own realm.

4). I think I'll omit some of the details for brevity, but I think I've found some of the Mayan calendar numbers being linked by Pi or very simple permutations of Pi successively, most recently this:

1 / 260 = 3.846153846 = 1.923076923 x 2; 1.923076923 x Pi^2 = 18980.00846 = (1 / 260) x (5 x (Pi^2))

5). 41 x (2 Pi) = 257.6105976 and 41 x ((2 Pi)^2) = 1618.615122 -- I'm already using 1618.829140 (obtained from my Great Pyramid model) / 2 Pi = 257.6105976 = 1 / 38.81314681, which 38.81314681 it appears may be in Teobert Maler's raw data for both the platform length of Tikal Temple I, and one or more of the stair widths of El Castillo.

257.6105976 / (2 Pi) = 41.00542114

ANY perfect pyramid design of perimeter/height ratio = 2 Pi has for its apothem / (1/2 base length) ratio a natural value of 1.618993186 regardless of size; 1.618993186 / ((2 Pi)^2) = 41.00957648.

6). Mars Synodic Period 779.96 days / 41 = ~19.02; 19 x 41 = 779 = 18980 x 41.04320337

7). 365 / 41 = 8.902439024, which is 2 / 224.6575342; Venus Orbital Period (Wikipedia, Venus) = 224.701 days

8). 41 / (6^3) = 18981.48148 (see also item 3).

9). Mars Orbital Period 686.971 days (Wikipedia, Mars) x (41^2) = 260 / 225.1475526

10). (2 Pi) x 41^3 = 4330.434146 -- Jupiter Orbital Period 4332.59 days (Wikipedia, Jupiter)

11). (365 / 2) x 41^2 = 306782.5 -- Uranus Orbital Period 30,688.5 days (Wikipedia, Uranus) (not asking for a debate with anyone about who discovered Uranus when, just pointing out a nearly interesting near-coincidence here).

12). I am also surprised to find that the canonical Venus Synodic Period 584 days / 41 looks suspiciously like a number I encountered at Tikal and devoted a whole post to in the Munck thread (that comes out 41.00542113 again with the numbers I ordinarily use).

13). 52 x 41 = 2131 = 365 x 584 to .9998123827; 2131 / 225 = 94.7111111, or 94.73163 from Design of Time to .9997833998; 2131 / 780 = 2.732151282; 27.321582252 days = Tropical Month, 27.321661554 days = Sidereal Month (Wikipedia); 18980 / 2131 = 2 / 224.5521602

14). (1 / 15) / 41 = 1.62601626 = 365.24 / 224.6226; 365.24 / 224.701 = (1 / 15) / 41 to .999651032 (completely useless fact: that's about what you get if you accidentally divide 280 by a cubit of 1.722570927 instead of multiply --- 280 / 1.722570927 = 1.6254477335 = 365.24 / 224.6970733)

15). I obtained the number 15552 from playing with Mayan "Monster Mouth" doors as math riddles (quite possibly by mistake), and it's proven to be interesting in the context of calendars. 15552 / 41 = (360 / 18981.48148) x 2, or 15552 / 41 =(360 / 18980) x 2 to .9999219512

Sorry, I seem to think I may recognize some pieces but I'm not sure how they fit together. Sort of a mathematical collapse of a whole pantheon into monotheism, I guess. That must be what I get for making it up as I go along.

Let me try a little harder to think lunar thoughts in accordance with the topic

16). 260 / 224.7 = 1.157098353; 41 / 1.157098353 = 354.3346154 / 10 "a lunar year, is only 354 days, 8 hours, 48 minutes, 34 seconds (354.367056 days)" (Wikipedia, Lunar Year)

17). 29.53 / (360 / 2) = 41.0388889 = 5 / 1.218469679 (1.218469679 is the so-called "Thoth Remen" I work with) to .9999071732

18). "The line of nodes of the Moon's orbit precesses 360° in about 6,798 days (18.6 years)" (Wikipedia, Lunar Month and Lunar Precession)

6,798 / (41^3) = (Pi^2) to .9993781379, nearing the .999570731 accuracy of manu's equation 27.3216 days x 1.5 = 41 days

19). Since I've seen the number 24 or 240 again somewhere in the proceedings independent of my own work, 24 x 41 x 2 = 2952, or 29.53 x 10^2 to .9996613613.

20). "This apsidal precession completes one rotation in the same time as the number of sidereal months exceeds the number of anomalistic months by exactly one, after about 3,233 days (8.85 years)." (Wikipedia, Lunar Precession)

3233 / (41^2) = 1.923259964 = 18981.81501 / (Pi^2) / 10^n

If you're not already very sorry you asked, this ought to do it...

21). Moon's mean radius 1737.1 km (Wikipedia, Moon) = 5699146.98 ft. 5699146.98 / 3 = 18997.1566, which is the standard "B" figure for the Half Venus Cycle that I use, 18997.72194, to .9999702416. I am making NO claims about that whatsoever because as everyone knows there is no way that ancient peoples could have known things like that, just pointing out a truly fascinating lunar coincidence until NASA goes and changes the figure again.

Postscript: This one should have been included here - it has been found, lost, and found again in the last 24 hours

22). (4 / 18980) x (41^2) = 354.2676582 --- once again, "a lunar year, is only 354 days, 8 hours, 48 minutes, 34 seconds (354.367056 days)" (Wikipedia, Lunar Year)

Thus this "41" appears capable of linking the Venus Cycle to the Lunar Year?



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 23-Oct-19 19:12 by thinkitover.

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