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In the rowing trip with Djadjaemankh, which is set as though in the time of Snofru / Sneferu, if we take the depth of the lake at 12 cubits and when folded as 24 cubits to mean that we should be looking at the equinox. Then to decode which "age" the story belongs to, we need to understand the sign. I would argue the story tells us clearly that it is a fish - as the fish is found under the 12 cubits of water of the lake.
There are two possibilities for the fish, unfortunately close to each other. They are Pisces and Piscis Austrinus (PsA). According to Lull and Belmonte, Aquarius is also depicted as an Egyptian divinity: the god of the Nile, Hapi with a fish underneath the water-pouring Hapi. The fish under Hapi is taken to be indicative of the Mesopotamian fish KU and is identified to be PsA. Pisces is depicted in standard form as two fish.

PsA is connected to the water-pouring Hapi representing Aquarius - if the fish sitting on a shard is representative of Aquarius, then is this story pointing to the age of Aquarius, an age supposed to start in 2160 AD? or a prior age of Aquarius? The connection to the boat and net appear to point to PsA being the correct interpretation of the fish (this is the interpretation that I have used in the screenshots using Egyptian star lore from Stellarium). The Wikipedia article on PsA also notes that this fish is supposed to have saved Isis and she therefore had it committed to a constellation. If Stellarium is correct, PsA was close to due East circa 39,000 BCE on the March equinox as the sun rose.

Even interpreting the fish to Pisces which would put it out of place to the boat and the net would point to the around the dawn of the current era. A date which is well after the time of Sneferu and Khufu. Are the storytellers trying to point us to a remote past?

There are two possible resolutions:
(1) the Egyptians could have looked to the West identify the setting constellation as the sun rises instead of due East to identify the rising constellation as the sun rises. In my limited investigation, this would align to an acceptable (historically speaking) era for Sneferu and Khufu; and
(2) the Westcar Papyrus is said to have been written during the Hyksos period, which would see the sun rising over Aries but still close to Pisces circa 1800 BCE. Perhaps the authors were in some way pointing us to their time.



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