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>> I don’t follow your line of reasoning here.

>>Kekui—> god of darkness per Budge specifically referring to the darkness immediately preceding daylight

>>Sahure —> Sahu-Re - could refer to spiritual body of Re or could be he who is close to Re.

>>Userref - Osiris-Af - the rising sun remains valid.


Hello engbren,

The first pharaoh of the V dynasty was Userkaf. From

[www.narmer.pl]

We see the "Abydos Table (Nomen & Prenomen)"

wsr kA.f
Weserkaf (His Ka Is Strong)

All that changes here is that we substitute 'kA' with 'RA'. We thus get:

wsr rA.f
Weserraf (His Ra Is Strong)

My understanding is that this does not refer to the Sun. It could be translated freely to:

Weserraf (He is Strong like Ra)

Actually he represents Jupiter, thus his name is also 'Horus, who binds two lands'.

All the external planets were considered by the Egyptians to be manifestations of Horus. I complete the list as below:

Mars: Red Horus
Jupiter: Horus, who binds two lands
Saturn: Horus, the Bull of Heaven
Uranus: Dark Horus

Notice what the Westcar papyrus sais: "may you not kick in her womb in this name of yours Sahure"

I believe that kicking refers to the apparent retrograde motion of planets.

[en.wikipedia.org]

Quote

Inner planets Venus and Mercury appear to move in retrograde in a similar mechanism, but as they can never be in opposition to the Sun as seen from Earth, their retrograde cycles are tied to their inferior conjunctions with the Sun. They are unobservable in the Sun's glare and in their "new" phase, with mostly their dark sides toward Earth; they occur in the transition from evening star to morning star.

The more distant planets retrograde more frequently, as they do not move as much in their orbits while Earth completes an orbit itself. The center of the retrograde motion occurs when the body is exactly opposite the sun, and therefore high in the ecliptic at local midnight.


This means that the kicking of Sahure probably does not refer to the internal planets Mercury, Venus. He thus probably refers to one of the outer planets, the planets that Ancient Egyptians called Horus. We can thus decode the pharaohs like this:


Weserraf (Horus, He is Strong like Ra)
Sahura (Horus, He who is close to him who is Strong like Ra)
Keku (Dark Horus)

>>“Sachebu (also Sachbu) was the ancient Egyptian name of an administrative center in the >>2nd Upper Egyptian district of Letopolis. The city was occupied since the Old Kingdom. Her >>name plays an important role in the tales of the Papyrus Westcar.”

>>Letopolis was in turn associated with the worship of the gods Khenty-Khem and Khenty-Irty refer:
>>[en.m.wikipedia.org]

>>These are assumed to be forms of Horus described in detail here: [henadology.wordpress.com]


Very interesting. Letopolis is exactly North of Giza, it thus relates to the North-South direction and thus the Meridian. We would thus expect to find Horus crossing the Meridian. This could correspond to one of the three Horuses - external planets but it could also mean that the ancient Egyptian constellation of Horus crosses the Meridian. My understanding is that both cases apply.

From your Khenty-irty article I quote:

Quote

Whether on account of blindness or excellence of eyesight, Khenty-irty is associated with the night, insofar as he is spoken of in connection with a night ritual performed at Khem enacting the burial of Osiris.

The burial of Osiris links the time that Horus is above and Orion is on the ground - horizon(burial). Everything fits.

EIMI H ZΩH = IHΣOYΣ

[the-phaistos-disk.webnode.com]



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 29-Aug-19 06:02 by Spiros.

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