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Spiros Wrote:
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> engbren Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Spiros Wrote:
> >
> > > Let's set the year to a round 2580 BC. Now
> > let's
> > > consider the brightest stars of the
> > constellations
> > > of Lyra and Bootes, Vega and Arcturus
> > > respectively. According to Stellarium if we
> > take
> > > the average Heliacal rising dates of both
> stars
> > we
> > > will see it is October 13. This thus seems to
> > be
> > > the start of Peret. This could be day 1 of
> month
> > 1
> > > of Peret season.
> > >
> > Interesting - looking at the date of October 27
> of
> > 2580 BC which would therefore be the 15th day
> of
> > Peret, with the Egyptian star lore on (which
> > leverages one of Belmonte's earlier paper's so
> not
> > 100% in alignment to Lull and Belmonte), we
> have
> > Sah setting as the sun rises, and the star that
> > houses the moon is Gamma Gemorium, part of
> Gemini
> > where I have deduced is the most likely
> > constellation for Djedi. I need to analyse a
> bit
> > further.
> >
> > Regards,
> > BC
> I just want to point out that Stellarium uses year
> 0, so what you think is 2580 BC is in reality 2581
> BC. This does not affect the validity anyway since
> I don't think 2580 BC is the intended year.
>
> I also want to correct something I said. The
> hippopotamus includes parts of Bootes but not
> Arcturus. This another constellation. The Mooring
> post. Modifying some name interpretations:
>
> Userref => His Ra is Strong
> Sahure => He who is close to Ra
> Keku => The dark one
>
> Reusre => powerful Ra
>
> Sahbu => Place of Sah
>
> Rhudjedet => 'growth and stability' or 'foot of
> duration' or 'increase duration'
>
> now regarding Peret, from wiki:
>
>
Quote

Heliacal rising of Sirius at Heliopolis
> Year Date
> Egyptian Julian
> 3500 bc III Peret 3 July 16
> 3000 bc III Shemu 8 July 16
> 2500 bc III Akhet 8 July 16
> 2000 bc III Peret 14 July 17
> 1500 bc III Shemu 19 July 17
> 1000 bc III Akhet 19 July 17
> 500 bc III Peret 25 July 18
> ad 1 III Shemu 30 July 18
> ad 500 IV Akhet 2 July 20
>
> If you use Stellarium and set the observation
> point at Giza, then at 2500 BC the heliacal rising
> of Arcturus is at the day I Peret 1. Amazing! We
> are told that the Egyptians set the calendar based
> on the brightest star of the Southern sky, but
> this shows us that they might have set it based on
> the brightest star of the Northern sky.

Hi Spiros,

I don’t follow your line of reasoning here.

Kekui—> god of darkness per Budge specifically referring to the darkness immediately preceding daylight

Sahure —> Sahu-Re - could refer to spiritual body of Re or could be he who is close to Re.

Userref - Osiris-Af - the rising sun remains valid.


The most contentious and important thing to understand is what does Sakhbu refer to? Here I have been researching alternatives.

One possible hint is given in the following German article on wiki:

[de.m.wikipedia.org]

Translated with Google Translate it tells us:

“Sachebu (also Sachbu) was the ancient Egyptian name of an administrative center in the 2nd Upper Egyptian district of Letopolis. The city was occupied since the Old Kingdom. Her name plays an important role in the tales of the Papyrus Westcar.”

Letopolis was in turn associated with the worship of the gods Khenty-Khem and Khenty-Irty refer:
[en.m.wikipedia.org]

These are assumed to be forms of Horus described in detail here: [henadology.wordpress.com]

I take from this that the Sun and Moon must be in the sky at the same time. I haven’t yet modelled in stellarium

Regards,
BC

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