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hendrik dirker Wrote:
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engbren
> Thus, my interpretation is that Khufu is seeking
> the numbers from the accounts of the House of
> Thoth (stations of the moon). Those numbers are
> kept in a chest in the inventory of Heliopolis, a
> city known for its star-gazing priests. Khufu
> wants to use these numbers in his Horizon (aka
> Pyramid) in some way.
>
>
> eh? - "in some way"...
>
> Khufu is way bigger than POTUS - well, at least
> the bulk of his pyramid dwarfs TrumpTowers ;-) to
> use that analogy, if Donald required some accounts
> info, do you really think he'll amble over..? King
> of Egypt, his majesty Khufu... likewise, can pick
> up the red phone and demand any trivia brought to
> him - why would he need the services of a
> MagicianSupremo?! (Logic my dear BC, logic) Djedi
> is formidable (100 jugs of beer c'mon:-) and then
> still, even he has to acknowledge to his lord that
> he can't deliver...
>

I never said you need to like the explanation. It isn’t as cool as lost treasure but I don’t feel the need to pander to the megalomania, just let the evidence fall where it may.

> So get real - Khufu is after something bigger
> (what whacko would write a fiction story with such
> a weak plot anyway - The Seizure of TopSecret
> LunarCalendar & Encryption of TombStone-One

> the full revelation of clandestine
> agriculture
:o)
>
> Prof. Adolf Erman 1st translation published 1890
> - subsequent (sticking to old school)
> interpretation -
> Gardiner: ipwt & wnw
> Green: pdwt of wnt
>
> ipwt - pdwt : secret chambers
> / archive / plan / lines
>
> wnt - wnw : sanctuary / chamber /
> room

Berggren deals with Erman, Gardiner and Green. These are still valid explanations. However, in the context in which I have demonstrated, which is an astronomical story, measurements or accounts fits better than secret chambers.

There is also the matter of where the sun is.

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Westcar Papyrus
Westcar Papyrus
Then His Majesty said:
'When will Ruddjedet give birth?'
(And Djedi said:) 'She will give birth on the fifteenth day of the first month of the Season of Growing.'
Then His Majesty said:
'But that's when the sandbanks of Two-Fish Canal are cut off. Might I visit it myself, so that I could see the temple of Re, lord of Sakhbu!'


The first month of the season of growing roughly translates to early January. There is an interesting hint that the temple of Re is the lord of Sakhbu. This is interesting because the 15th day of the lunar month in the season of growing would see the moon and sun in the sky in the early morning so we have the darkness of Keku immediately before the light of Userref rising. The temple of Re here could indicate a station of the sun. Lord of Sakhbu would then be the name of the station instead of a title of Re.

I have reviewed two possible interpretations of Sakhbu. Looking at the root of the word Sakhbu it starts with s3h which could be interpreted to Sah. However if Sah which includes the belt stars of Orion were housing the sun in early January when the moon and sun are in the sky at the same time, it would push the date back into a remote past.

Another interpretation of the S3h is the resting or mooring place for a boat. The remainder of the word could be pointing to Quebui a minor deity associated with the north wind. This could allow for an interpretation of the date to which the story is pointing to.

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