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GramPong Wrote:
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> Your explanation about how the story and stars
> align is very convincing and is my "best fit" by
> far. Spectacular job.
>
> What do you think of my idea that those same
> characters might also have other stories in the
> stars by taking a different path through the
> heavens? Are there any recurring
> characters/themes whereby a rotation of
> perspective allows the use of different stars with
> the same central constellation to encode a
> different narrative with the same character?
>
> This seems reasonable, but I don't have close to
> your knowledge base or skill set to know if it
> might be right. Is this totally off-base?

I would recommend you read the referenced paper by Lull and Belmonte which would give clarity - in short, yes the same characters turn up in multiple stories and drawings. Lull and Belmonte is an excellent reference.

As for mythology and how story telling develops, I would recommend Lynne Kelly’s “The Memory Code” refer to
[www.lynnekelly.com.au]

I will caveat that Lynne’s book doesn’t deal with Egyptian mythology as such but mythology from a prehistory perspective.

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Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 159 engbren 12-Dec-19 11:36
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The Egyptian Civil Calendar 114 engbren 27-Jan-20 03:05
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Feedback 108 engbren 25-Feb-20 12:15
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Puchkov vs Belmonte, Spence and Rawlins and Pickering 68 engbren 08-Mar-20 03:37
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