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Aine Wrote:
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> > > Do sundogs behave in the manner described? If
> > they
> > > don't, then your "explanation" doesn't hold
> > > water.
> > >
> >
> > Basically yes.
>
> Basically? It's either yes or no. An explanation
> of how they behave is in order. How is their
> behavior similar or dissimilar to the events
> described?

I am sure you are capable of googling "sundogs"!

I am not an expert of this strange medieval event but apart from the claimed movement and the smoke and crashing (which no doubt excites the UFO believers) the description was a "sun" and crescent shaped "suns" likely 22degrees either side of the sun.
>
>
> > > If you're going to propose an alternate
> > > explanation, that explanation must be
> > consistent
> > > with the events and object described.
> >
> > So medieval folk were capable of understanding
> > such phenomenon ? and everything they ACTUALLY
> > claimed happened?
> >
> > What about this part
> >
> >
Quote

After all this there was something like
> a
> > black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the
> > shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed
> west.
> > Whatever such signs mean, God alone
> knows
.
> > Although we have seen, shortly one after
> another,
> > many kinds of signs on the heaven, which are
> > sent to us by the almighty God, to bring us to
> > repentance, we still are, unfortunately, so
> > ungrateful that we despise such high signs and
> > miracles of God. Or we speak of them with
> ridicule
> > and discard them to the wind, in order that God
> > may send us a frightening punishment on account
> of
> > our ungratefulness.
After all, the
> God-fearing
> > will by no means discard these signs, but will
> > take it to heart as a warning of their merciful
> > Father in heaven, will mend their lives and
> > faithfully beg God, that He may avert His
> > wrath, including the well-deserved
> punishment
,
> > on us, so that we may temporarily here and
> > perpetually there, live as his children. For
> it,
> > may God grant us his help, Amen. By Hanns
> Glaser,
> > letter-painter of Nurnberg.
> >
> > Doesn't sound like a scientific objective
> account
> > to me!
>
> Nobody said it was. But what I said stands. You
> can propose 600 years after the fact that it was
> sun dogs, but you'll never prove it.

It is a now known observed NATURAL phenomena which closely agrees to the previous medieval unscientific description.
It comes down to what is most likely or plausible Versus fantasy of the existence of less evidenced and unstudied, not understood imaginary supernatural things

But that's
> not stopping you from calling them liars, I see.

I didn't call them liars AT ALL! They described events as their knowledge permitted with a big dose of supernatural religion stirred into the mix.
>
> Do sun dogs behave that way or don't they? Just
> because they didn't couch their experience in
> modern terms doesn't mean it didn't happen.
> Another fallacy.
>
>
> > For there to be any reason for a debunker there
> > MUST first be a huge pile of steaming advocated
> > BUNKUM!
>
> And there's the preconceived ideas. Who are you to
> determine what is and isn't bunkum?

That is irrelevant debunkers only exist because someone proposes an extraordinary (often unscientific) explanation which they try to promote as FACT!
>
> There will always be debunkers and naysayers, just
> like those who said sailor would fall of the edge
> of the world.


Whoever said that, thankfully got debunked and proven incorrect!

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