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> > > > Wow. Sun dogs that fall on the ground and
> > emit
> > > > immense smoke plumes.
> > >
> > > Some of these historical accounts from
> > centuries
> > > ago cannot necessarily be taken at face
> value.
> > I
> > > said "possibly sun dogs," in case some other
> > > explanation might emerge at some point.
> > >
> > > Do you have a suggestion or theory about the
> > > phenomenon?
> >
> > Do sundogs behave in the manner described? If
> they
> > don't, then your "explanation" doesn't hold
> > water.
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> Basically yes.

Basically? It's either yes or no. An explanation of how they behave is in order. How is their behavior similar or dissimilar to the events described?


> > If you're going to propose an alternate
> > explanation, that explanation must be
> consistent
> > with the events and object described.
>
> So medieval folk were capable of understanding
> such phenomenon ? and everything they ACTUALLY
> claimed happened?
>
> What about this part
>
>
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After all this there was something like a
> black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the
> shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west.
> Whatever such signs mean, God alone knows.
> Although we have seen, shortly one after another,
> many kinds of signs on the heaven, which are
> sent to us by the almighty God, to bring us to
> repentance, we still are, unfortunately, so
> ungrateful that we despise such high signs and
> miracles of God. Or we speak of them with ridicule
> and discard them to the wind, in order that God
> may send us a frightening punishment on account of
> our ungratefulness.
After all, the God-fearing
> will by no means discard these signs, but will
> take it to heart as a warning of their merciful
> Father in heaven, will mend their lives and
> faithfully beg God, that He may avert His
> wrath, including the well-deserved punishment
,
> on us, so that we may temporarily here and
> perpetually there, live as his children. For it,
> may God grant us his help, Amen. By Hanns Glaser,
> letter-painter of Nurnberg.
>
> Doesn't sound like a scientific objective account
> to me!

Nobody said it was. But what I said stands. You can propose 600 years after the fact that it was sun dogs, but you'll never prove it. But that's not stopping you from calling them liars, I see.

Do sun dogs behave that way or don't they? Just because they didn't couch their experience in modern terms doesn't mean it didn't happen. Another fallacy.


> For there to be any reason for a debunker there
> MUST first be a huge pile of steaming advocated
> BUNKUM!

And there's the preconceived ideas. Who are you to determine what is and isn't bunkum?

There will always be debunkers and naysayers, just like those who said sailor would fall of the edge of the world.

Stupidity is knowing the truth, seeing the truth but still believing the lies. And that is more infectious than any other disease. ~ Richard Feynman

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Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 211 GramPong 17-Jul-19 15:56
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Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 207 Corpuscles 18-Jul-19 02:54
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Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 184 GramPong 18-Jul-19 13:15
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 206 PB Bytes 17-Jul-19 17:40
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 187 Thanos5150 18-Jul-19 03:14
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Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 168 PB Bytes 19-Jul-19 15:54
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 207 Thanos5150 20-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 183 PB Bytes 21-Jul-19 04:04
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 211 Martin Stower 17-Jul-19 07:48
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 176 GramPong 17-Jul-19 08:44
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 292 Martin Stower 16-Jul-19 08:51
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 219 GramPong 16-Jul-19 10:53
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 180 Barbelo 16-Jul-19 21:09
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 212 Martin Stower 16-Jul-19 21:30
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 191 GramPong 16-Jul-19 22:23
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Re: Immortality & Resurrection 184 Barbelo 17-Jul-19 03:37
Re: Immortality & Resurrection 206 GramPong 17-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Immortality & Resurrection 211 Martin Stower 17-Jul-19 07:44
Re: Immortality & Resurrection 179 GramPong 17-Jul-19 09:10
Re: Immortality & Resurrection 193 Merrell 17-Jul-19 07:52
Re: Immortality & Resurrection 197 Barbelo 17-Jul-19 11:33
Re: Immortality & Resurrection 199 Corpuscles 17-Jul-19 03:03
Re: Immortality & Resurrection 177 GramPong 17-Jul-19 03:21
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Stargate 197 Barbelo 17-Jul-19 22:23
Re: Stargate: Forgettable & Regrettable 217 Barbelo 18-Jul-19 02:34
Re: Stargate: Forgettable & Regrettable 210 GramPong 18-Jul-19 13:18
Re: Stargate: Forgettable & Regrettable 236 Barbelo 18-Jul-19 22:02
Re: Stargate: Forgettable & Regrettable 177 GramPong 18-Jul-19 22:15
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 223 Barbelo 19-Jul-19 00:45
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 237 Martin Stower 19-Jul-19 20:48
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 184 Barbelo 19-Jul-19 21:38
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 198 Martin Stower 20-Jul-19 22:35
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 188 Barbelo 21-Jul-19 00:49
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 205 Martin Stower 22-Jul-19 15:30
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 172 Barbelo 22-Jul-19 21:03
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 209 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 04:49
Re: Stargate 231 Merrell 18-Jul-19 08:05
Re: Stargate 200 Barbelo 18-Jul-19 22:10
Re: Stargate 233 Merrell 19-Jul-19 11:25
Re: Stargate 215 Barbelo 19-Jul-19 21:28
Re: Stargate 200 Merrell 19-Jul-19 21:52
Re: Stargate 238 Thanos5150 20-Jul-19 15:32
Re: Stargate 198 Merrell 20-Jul-19 15:45
Re: Stargate 184 Thanos5150 23-Jul-19 21:30
Re: Stargate 178 Aine 23-Jul-19 23:03
Re: Stargate 195 Corpuscles 24-Jul-19 00:05
Re: Stargate 188 Thanos5150 24-Jul-19 00:43
Re: Stargate 164 Aine 24-Jul-19 01:09
Re: Stargate 182 Corpuscles 24-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Stargate 184 Thanos5150 24-Jul-19 01:56
Re: Stargate 186 Corpuscles 24-Jul-19 03:47
Re: Stargate 178 Thanos5150 24-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Stargate 171 Corpuscles 24-Jul-19 23:08
Re: Stargate 182 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 01:46
Mod Note > Duplicate Postings 155 Dr. Troglodyte 25-Jul-19 17:13
Re: Stargate 199 Merrell 21-Jul-19 12:34
Re: Stargate 188 Martin Stower 22-Jul-19 15:40
Re: Stargate 177 Thanos5150 23-Jul-19 21:56
Re: Stargate 222 jazzmumbles 22-Jul-19 01:04
Re: Stargate 193 Merrell 22-Jul-19 06:49
Re: Stargate 175 drrayeye 22-Jul-19 17:18
The EcuadorianToilet Float of the Gods 181 Merrell 22-Jul-19 19:47
debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 195 drrayeye 22-Jul-19 22:25
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 189 Merrell 24-Jul-19 12:43
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 177 Martin Stower 24-Jul-19 13:36
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 178 drrayeye 24-Jul-19 14:31
And..... 182 Barbelo 24-Jul-19 22:19
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 164 drrayeye 24-Jul-19 14:29
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 165 Merrell 25-Jul-19 06:43
Debunkatron 169 drrayeye 25-Jul-19 06:50
Re: Debunkatron 177 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Debunkatron 181 drrayeye 25-Jul-19 13:16
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 178 Aine 26-Jul-19 16:04
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 217 Aine 24-Jul-19 17:06
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 195 Merrell 25-Jul-19 06:41
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 181 Aine 25-Jul-19 10:41
Agreed 170 drrayeye 25-Jul-19 13:24
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 171 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 15:32
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 164 GramPong 25-Jul-19 16:30
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 157 Aine 26-Jul-19 16:02
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 166 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 07:28
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 171 Aine 25-Jul-19 10:39
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 194 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 11:27
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 146 Aine 25-Jul-19 13:21
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 186 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 15:13
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 178 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 16:28
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 202 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 18:49
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 185 Thanos5150 26-Jul-19 15:15
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 178 Martin Stower 26-Jul-19 19:16
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 167 Aine 26-Jul-19 16:18
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 176 Aine 26-Jul-19 15:50
Re: Stargate 177 Aine 23-Jul-19 22:25
Re: Stargate 180 Thanos5150 23-Jul-19 23:39
Re: Stargate 192 Aine 24-Jul-19 00:59
Re: Stargate 156 Thanos5150 24-Jul-19 03:43
Re: Stargate 229 Aine 24-Jul-19 11:16
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Re: Stargate 174 Corpuscles 25-Jul-19 00:25
Re: Stargate 147 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 03:04
Re: Stargate 159 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Stargate 182 Corpuscles 25-Jul-19 22:32
Collateral damage 194 hendrik dirker 26-Jul-19 02:02
Re: Collateral damage 171 Corpuscles 26-Jul-19 03:36
Re: Stargate 239 R Avry Wilson 26-Jul-19 03:25
Re: mirage.. 155 PB Bytes 26-Jul-19 04:55
Re: mirage.. 207 R Avry Wilson 26-Jul-19 08:28
Re: Stargate 163 PB Bytes 26-Jul-19 05:07
Re: Stargate 173 Corpuscles 26-Jul-19 05:31
Re: Stargate 160 PB Bytes 26-Jul-19 14:09
Re: Stargate 170 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 01:59
Re: Stargate 162 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 02:10
Re: Stargate 175 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 02:31
Re: Stargate 158 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 02:54
Re: Stargate 172 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 03:26
Re: Stargate 182 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 03:31
Re: Stargate 176 GramPong 25-Jul-19 11:57
Cloaking ? 145 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 21:35
Re: Stargate 200 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 11:32
Re: Stargate 162 PB Bytes 26-Jul-19 04:58
Re: Stargate 197 Martin Stower 24-Jul-19 13:24
Re: Stargate 197 drrayeye 24-Jul-19 15:13
"The Book Of The Damned" - A Debunker's Dream? 176 Barbelo 24-Jul-19 01:48
Re: Stargate 165 GramPong 19-Jul-19 23:33
The Emerald Tablets 189 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 02:19
Re: The Emerald Tablets 186 GramPong 20-Jul-19 02:53
Re: The Emerald Tablets 237 Merrell 20-Jul-19 09:04
Re: The Emerald Tablets 192 GramPong 20-Jul-19 15:03
Re: The Emerald Tablets 167 cladking 20-Jul-19 22:12
Re: The Emerald Tablets 192 Merrell 20-Jul-19 12:39
Re: The Emerald Tablets 184 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 21:28
Re: The Emerald Tablets 228 Merrell 20-Jul-19 22:04
Re: The Emerald Tablets 165 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 22:34
Re: The Emerald Tablets 181 Martin Stower 20-Jul-19 22:41
Re: The Emerald Tablets 201 Barbelo 21-Jul-19 01:01
Re: The Emerald Tablets 172 Martin Stower 22-Jul-19 15:28
Re: The Emerald Tablets 162 Barbelo 22-Jul-19 21:27
Re: Stargate 164 GramPong 19-Jul-19 22:15
Re: Stargate 177 Barbelo 19-Jul-19 23:02
Re: Stargate 184 GramPong 20-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Stargate 182 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 02:21
Re: Stargate 195 Merrell 20-Jul-19 08:45
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Re: Stargate 209 Merrell 19-Jul-19 11:46
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 264 Martin Stower 17-Jul-19 21:34
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