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> > > > Wow. Sun dogs that fall on the ground and
> > emit
> > > > immense smoke plumes.
> > >
> > > Some of these historical accounts from
> > centuries
> > > ago cannot necessarily be taken at face
> value.
> > I
> > > said "possibly sun dogs," in case some other
> > > explanation might emerge at some point.
> > >
> > > Do you have a suggestion or theory about the
> > > phenomenon?
> >
> > Do sundogs behave in the manner described? If
> they
> > don't, then your "explanation" doesn't hold
> > water.
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> Basically yes.

Basically? It's either yes or no. An explanation of how they behave is in order. How is their behavior similar or dissimilar to the events described?


> > If you're going to propose an alternate
> > explanation, that explanation must be
> consistent
> > with the events and object described.
>
> So medieval folk were capable of understanding
> such phenomenon ? and everything they ACTUALLY
> claimed happened?
>
> What about this part
>
>
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After all this there was something like a
> black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the
> shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west.
> Whatever such signs mean, God alone knows.
> Although we have seen, shortly one after another,
> many kinds of signs on the heaven, which are
> sent to us by the almighty God, to bring us to
> repentance, we still are, unfortunately, so
> ungrateful that we despise such high signs and
> miracles of God. Or we speak of them with ridicule
> and discard them to the wind, in order that God
> may send us a frightening punishment on account of
> our ungratefulness.
After all, the God-fearing
> will by no means discard these signs, but will
> take it to heart as a warning of their merciful
> Father in heaven, will mend their lives and
> faithfully beg God, that He may avert His
> wrath, including the well-deserved punishment
,
> on us, so that we may temporarily here and
> perpetually there, live as his children. For it,
> may God grant us his help, Amen. By Hanns Glaser,
> letter-painter of Nurnberg.
>
> Doesn't sound like a scientific objective account
> to me!

Nobody said it was. But what I said stands. You can propose 600 years after the fact that it was sun dogs, but you'll never prove it. But that's not stopping you from calling them liars, I see.

Do sun dogs behave that way or don't they? Just because they didn't couch their experience in modern terms doesn't mean it didn't happen. Another fallacy.


> For there to be any reason for a debunker there
> MUST first be a huge pile of steaming advocated
> BUNKUM!

And there's the preconceived ideas. Who are you to determine what is and isn't bunkum?

There will always be debunkers and naysayers, just like those who said sailor would fall of the edge of the world.

1984 was a warning, not a how-to guide.

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Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 58 Martin Stower 24-Jul-19 13:36
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Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 47 Aine 25-Jul-19 13:21
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Re: The Emerald Tablets 45 Barbelo 22-Jul-19 21:27
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Re: Stargate 63 Barbelo 19-Jul-19 23:02
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