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Wow, you bring up a loaded topic. I may have a foot in both camps, but not completely in either. I have a chemistry degree but now work in medical IT and so I am trained to use that type of logic and problem solving. But I often find myself irate with mainstream "skeptics" because I think they misuse logic towards their own ends. But then again I also get frustrated with people at the other end of the spectrum who dismiss logic entirely.

There is a reasonable principle which states that that which is not true is false. However, I feel that skeptics misrepresent this principle as that which is not _proven_ true is necessarily false, and I find that disagreeable.

In comp sci there is a third state of logic which is "unknown." But I tend to believe that there are at least five states of logic:

Provably True
Unproven yet supported by evidence
Unknown and unprovable
Unproven yet negatively unsupported by evidence
Provably False

Your "mainstream" folks may not accept that the middle three states of logic that I propose even exist. Alternatively, I think that "alternative" thinkers spend most of their time there. Edit:Not implying that is a bad thing.

--Andy



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12-Jul-19 11:47 by AndyBlackard.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1575 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 156 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 149 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 114 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 118 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 124 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 117 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 108 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 102 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 112 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 104 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 105 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
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The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 117 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 124 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 100 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 103 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 85 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 85 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
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Gossip 117 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 109 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
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An explanation in "Cowboy" 96 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 105 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 111 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 98 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 123 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 106 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 110 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 97 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 95 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 100 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 104 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 101 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 98 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 98 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 113 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
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Unfortunately 101 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
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Level 3 98 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 99 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
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Australian jargon 113 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
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Re: Australian jargon 101 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 102 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
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um 99 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
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