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KsFisher Wrote:
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> I find proposing alternative ideas rather futile
> regardless of evidentiary support and/or
> reasoning. Mainstream directives too easily
> nullify testing of a formulated hypotheses. It's
> the sampling of multiple perspectives that I'd
> hoped to aquire through intelligent discussion.
> However, if the idea itself is alternative to a
> flawed mainstream understanding then it becomes
> "supernatural and paranormal" rather than a
> serious topic for discussion.
> I became a member here because I associated the
> name with a less than dogmatic belief of the
> untested and unfounded mainstream hypotheses. If I
> cannot present supportive evidence nor aquire
> thoughtful engagement then I can only assume
> qualification to be a matter of hierarchy
> approval. Much the same as it is with
> archaeological exploration and discovery.
> Likely a bit off the posts intended design but
> any opportunity to slip a personal observation
> under a nose or two...

Almost all supporters of mainstream positions don't want to argue fact or logic but rather to show us where our theories differ from their "reality". In many cases the depth of their knowledge is almost nonexistent. They don't know how or why mainstream opinion evolved as it did, they merely know what is in agreement. Even when they do know how opinion arose as it did they often can't see the underlying facts and logic from any perspective other than an orthodox one. Instead of argument or discussion of the actual facts, physical evidence, and logic they want to provide ready made conclusions based on centuries of assumption and hard work following in the footsteps of the greats. Anyone who doesn't toe this line and follow the same narrow path is a heretic, fool, or just ignorant. So they want to help us.

Then as alts we often make the exact same mistakes. We get so caught up in our own beliefs and theories that we can be blind not only to the gentle nudgings of mainstreamers but the thinking of other alts. We all tend to talk right past one another.

The biggest problem on this and most sites is that those who believe in mainstream assumptions will gang up on those who won't accept them. It's very difficult to help the victims of ad hominin attacks because there is no meat in the attacks; just insults. It's not "you're a fool for believing if A is true then it follows B is as well.". It's just "you're a fool and your momma too".

I can't help but believe this has always been the case. Now we have nice threads presented as trees and we can go back and see where we do it. We have anonymity which invites many to be rude, condescending, or arrogant.

This is probably all just part of the nature of our language since we each see all of reality in terms of our beliefs. We even see opposing arguments not in the terms and meaning in which they were presented but in terms of what we already "know" (believe). So we tend to address where the other guy went wrong if we ever understand him at all. Nothing "wants" to change because there are always going to be lots of proponents of "reality" and very very few who will challenge it while being insulted by most. If not for the fact that the "holy trinity" (Knowledge > Creation > Understanding) has always been real the last couple centuries of high technology and advancement couldn't have happened. It was easy to burn the witch when the best the witch could do was to sometimes cure a leper or love struck teen but when the witch can stick vacuum tubes together to win a war or create a new world then they get a little more leeway.

It seems there is as much ossification in thought as even in the "new kingdom" but now days we no longer burn the witches or bury our priests of science in tiny little pyramids.

The alts need to "hang in there" and the "pod folk" could try a little harder to address their arguments. We could al;l try a lot harder to understand one another and this might start with the alts. It's difficult to present ideas not founded in orthodoxy and we get a little sloppy saying what we mean.

Thanks for your post. Much of it resonates with me.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1745 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 244 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 267 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 196 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 178 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 213 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 197 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 186 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 170 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 175 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 199 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 176 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 156 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 167 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 166 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 170 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 168 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 144 Aine 07-Jul-19 00:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 191 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 154 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 139 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 137 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 140 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 136 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 177 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 157 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 169 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 152 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 165 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 139 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 162 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 168 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 170 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 158 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 169 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 166 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 172 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 144 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 174 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 162 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 157 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 139 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 164 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 146 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 148 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 146 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 164 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 135 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 132 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 245 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 159 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 169 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 159 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 151 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 128 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 137 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 175 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 151 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 199 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 164 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 164 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 164 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 171 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 161 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 149 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 172 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 152 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 184 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 157 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 158 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 155 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 143 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 153 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 162 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 146 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 149 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 157 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 158 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 147 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 149 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 137 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 151 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 145 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 147 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 139 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 166 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 157 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 164 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 183 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 152 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 150 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 157 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 148 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 176 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 180 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 161 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 164 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 143 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 162 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 144 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 156 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 145 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 152 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 173 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 146 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 161 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 Thanos5150 13-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 179 AndyBlackard 11-Jul-19 19:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 144 Eddie Larry 11-Jul-19 19:47
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 164 Warwick 11-Jul-19 19:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 178 Dejus 12-Jul-19 11:20
the Dinosaur destroyer 298 hendrik dirker 12-Jul-19 15:02
Re: the Dinosaur destroyer 233 Robert Jameson 14-Sep-19 13:35


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