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Ray: The big difference I see, after following
> developments for 20 years or so is that so many of
> the contributors are really lacking in appropriate
> training in basic science and philosophy.

Lee: This is not a prerequisite and when needed they can/should easily defer to others.

Ray: The big advantage of the university environment is the opportunity for both direct contact and nearly instantaneous feedback from others with similar interests--from all over the world. There are opportunities for visits to laboratories or field sites--small group presentations--face to face encounters in seminars and/or over dinner. One learns to be a part of a collaborating team rather than a "lone wolf," and gets access to financial and technical support. Through personal contacts established this way, one learns how and where to get published: even gets invited.

The outsider remains the outsider--never meets knowledgeable collaborators--never obtains adequate support (or even a knowledgeable audience. The lone wolf doesn't even know what he doesn't know. Doesn't take long to develop a chip on his shoulder.

> So they
> do it wrong--but don't understand why their
> contribution has not been widely accepted.

Lee: Can you give specific examples?

Ray: Here's one.

A common topic of interest at GHMB is whether or not Global Warming is leading to climate change (a scientific question)--and whether or not countermeasures related to the burning of fossil fuels could reduce potential harm to the global environment (social-economic question). The knowledge base to explore the scientific question requires learning how to gather and organize temperature data from the terrestrial and aquatic land--gathered onsite or by satellite--locally, nationally, and globally. The academic skills include knowledge of research design, statistical analysis, and computer information processing. If one is to perfect such skills, one must practice on real or simulated data, which may involve some sort of traineeship with NASA or the NOAA, and some volunteer work with the IPCC.

Once one develops real academic skills associated with field work, further paying opportunities may emerge to work on the science question, and one may get drawn into the social-economic questions out of personal interests.

The lone wolf, without the academic and field skills, might rely on published studies and popular articles to draw strong inferences about the social economic questions--without any real knowledge of research methods, statistical analyses, or computer information processing involved in the studies or reports. The Wolf may feel that those with such skills are biased since those with advanced skills are getting paid to collect and analyze the data--leading to climate change debates with the university trained professional.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1977 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 411 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 356 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 381 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 331 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 297 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 320 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 313 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 305 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 296 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 277 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 289 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 284 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 295 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 275 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 302 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 262 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 238 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 250 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 247 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 292 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 262 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 265 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 266 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 258 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 272 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 263 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 258 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 274 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 268 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 245 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 287 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 273 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 261 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 269 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 286 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 254 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 296 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 265 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 246 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 304 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 251 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 268 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 258 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 258 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 268 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 242 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 302 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 238 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 280 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 292 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 273 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 238 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 241 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 298 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 327 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 260 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 314 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 274 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 292 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 269 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 309 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 291 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 252 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 312 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 263 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 330 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 274 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 266 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 260 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 244 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 257 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 271 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 251 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 253 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 281 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 267 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 248 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 252 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 243 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 262 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 252 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 259 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 239 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 276 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 275 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 271 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 297 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 255 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 265 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 273 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 246 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 282 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 292 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 269 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 282 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 254 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 270 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 264 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 269 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 251 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 258 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 276 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 270 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 267 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
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