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Aine Wrote:
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> Oh, where to start? LOL
>
> I do believe that some disaster struck Earth
> around the end of the Ice Age, one that had
> far-reaching effects on our ancestors. A comet, a
> gamma ray burst, something that wiped out
> civilization, upset the climate and even
> topography, and spurred massive migrations as
> people did the best they could to survive.

The evidence seems to only be piling up to support this conclusion.

> I think
> that many of the myths that have come down to us
> are truly ancient--but unfortunately we have no
> way to date or cross-date them as yet.

I am skeptical of this though there are some, like aboriginal myths, that are curious. On balance I find it hard to accept myths were transmitted for several thousand years before the advent of writing, but I keep an open mind.

> As the dates for civilization get pushed back
> further and further, my hope is that they someday
> turn up an Ice Age civilization from remote
> antiquity. IMO the roots of what we now consider
> the beginnings of civilization began there, long
> before archaeologists and anthropologists are
> willing to admit or even consider.

As I have said, the existence of Gobekli Tepe all but assures this. This is not just one site, but several, and they are the most sophisticated at their very beginnings. Common sense dictates this was the culmination of a long period of development of which evidence of this predating GT is just waiting to be found.

> The end of the Ice Age was devastating to cultures
> around the world. If we're going to find evidence
> of their existence, we need to do some serious
> looking in the places that were above water 20,000
> or more years ago. We also need to dispense with
> the fairy tale that the Americas were unpopulated
> prior to 13,000 or so years ago. (Clovis First is
> alive and well, unfortunately.)

Times are a changing though.

> There is plenty of
> evidence that that's simply not true. I live 30
> miles from Meadowcroft and I know it isn't. And if
> people were in this part of the world that early,
> there is a two pronged dilemma: at the rate
> archaeologists claim people move, there have been
> people in the Americas for many tens of thousands
> of years and/or they didn't ONLY walk across the
> Bering Strait. There were other points of entry
> and other means of travel.

Like boats.

> Along with that, our ancestors were not dumb
> cavemen. It's past time we gave them credit for
> their intelligence and curiosity.
>
> I have a difficult time believing that AMH didn't
> advance at all culturally for over 100,000 years.
> It defies reason.

I accept it because to me "AMH" is a misnomer as in reality what is found prior to c. 50,000BP is not exactly one and the same as what is found after, namely the shape of the skull is different. I go into detail HERE.

> We're nothing if not curious and
> inventive. The ice sheets would limit their
> incursion into certain regions, but some places
> were quite pleasant and they could actually live
> near the glaciers comfortably. With so much water
> tied up in the ice sheets and so much more land
> exposed, there would have been places they could
> have settled year round.

The Mediterranean would have been a lovely place....

> A lot of our mythology and folklore reflects real
> events. Just because we don't have the proper
> context in which to place them doesn't mean they
> didn't happen or are just fanciful superstition.

I agree, but the question for me is when exactly are they talking about. The flood myths, for example, I have argued the case are not reffering to the end of the Ice Age, but rather a series of events that took place c.6,000BC.

> Either that or some of what was considered fringe
> 20 years ago is moving into the mainstream. Other
> than the idea that Antarctica was once the scene
> of a great civilization, I always thought GH's
> ideas weren't all that far from mainstream. At the
> time I thought he was asking questions that the
> archaeologists should have been asking.

Agreed.

> The
> hypothesis that there was an Ice Age civilization
> at least on par with Egypt and Mesopotamia is a
> reasonable one and doesn't deserve the scorn
> that's been heaped upon it.

Not so sure about that. Among other reasons against this, there is a quantum leap between the cultures of Dynastic Egypt and Mesopotamia with that of Gobekli Tepe. This is not where I started, I was all in on the idea, but after 25yrs of research and travelling the world, I have come to terms with the fact it is not likely this was the case.

> I still haven't read Magicians but I do want to
> read America Before.

Someday I'll get around to it but my enthusiasm level is low.



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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1743 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 286 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 242 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 265 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 227 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 193 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 175 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 206 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 194 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 184 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 168 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 174 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 197 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 174 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 164 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 164 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 169 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 166 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 141 Aine 07-Jul-19 00:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 189 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 151 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 137 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 135 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 138 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 134 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 175 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 180 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 167 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 151 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 161 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 149 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 161 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 136 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 159 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 166 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 167 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 156 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 166 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 164 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 170 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 142 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 172 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 161 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 156 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 151 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 137 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 144 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 146 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 144 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 133 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 180 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 129 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 243 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 158 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 168 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 157 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 149 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 126 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 135 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 173 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 149 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 196 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 162 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 163 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 162 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 171 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 158 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 147 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 172 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 150 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 184 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 155 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 156 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 152 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 141 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 151 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 160 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 143 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 147 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 153 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 156 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 145 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 147 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 135 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 149 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 143 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 145 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 137 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 164 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 154 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 160 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 162 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 180 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 149 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 148 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 155 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 146 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 174 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 178 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 159 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 162 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 141 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 160 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 142 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 154 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 142 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 150 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 171 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 161 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 144 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 159 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 205 Thanos5150 13-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 176 AndyBlackard 11-Jul-19 19:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 141 Eddie Larry 11-Jul-19 19:47
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 162 Warwick 11-Jul-19 19:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 175 Dejus 12-Jul-19 11:20
the Dinosaur destroyer 297 hendrik dirker 12-Jul-19 15:02
Re: the Dinosaur destroyer 230 Robert Jameson 14-Sep-19 13:35


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