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Aine Wrote:
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> Oh, where to start? LOL
>
> I do believe that some disaster struck Earth
> around the end of the Ice Age, one that had
> far-reaching effects on our ancestors. A comet, a
> gamma ray burst, something that wiped out
> civilization, upset the climate and even
> topography, and spurred massive migrations as
> people did the best they could to survive.

The evidence seems to only be piling up to support this conclusion.

> I think
> that many of the myths that have come down to us
> are truly ancient--but unfortunately we have no
> way to date or cross-date them as yet.

I am skeptical of this though there are some, like aboriginal myths, that are curious. On balance I find it hard to accept myths were transmitted for several thousand years before the advent of writing, but I keep an open mind.

> As the dates for civilization get pushed back
> further and further, my hope is that they someday
> turn up an Ice Age civilization from remote
> antiquity. IMO the roots of what we now consider
> the beginnings of civilization began there, long
> before archaeologists and anthropologists are
> willing to admit or even consider.

As I have said, the existence of Gobekli Tepe all but assures this. This is not just one site, but several, and they are the most sophisticated at their very beginnings. Common sense dictates this was the culmination of a long period of development of which evidence of this predating GT is just waiting to be found.

> The end of the Ice Age was devastating to cultures
> around the world. If we're going to find evidence
> of their existence, we need to do some serious
> looking in the places that were above water 20,000
> or more years ago. We also need to dispense with
> the fairy tale that the Americas were unpopulated
> prior to 13,000 or so years ago. (Clovis First is
> alive and well, unfortunately.)

Times are a changing though.

> There is plenty of
> evidence that that's simply not true. I live 30
> miles from Meadowcroft and I know it isn't. And if
> people were in this part of the world that early,
> there is a two pronged dilemma: at the rate
> archaeologists claim people move, there have been
> people in the Americas for many tens of thousands
> of years and/or they didn't ONLY walk across the
> Bering Strait. There were other points of entry
> and other means of travel.

Like boats.

> Along with that, our ancestors were not dumb
> cavemen. It's past time we gave them credit for
> their intelligence and curiosity.
>
> I have a difficult time believing that AMH didn't
> advance at all culturally for over 100,000 years.
> It defies reason.

I accept it because to me "AMH" is a misnomer as in reality what is found prior to c. 50,000BP is not exactly one and the same as what is found after, namely the shape of the skull is different. I go into detail HERE.

> We're nothing if not curious and
> inventive. The ice sheets would limit their
> incursion into certain regions, but some places
> were quite pleasant and they could actually live
> near the glaciers comfortably. With so much water
> tied up in the ice sheets and so much more land
> exposed, there would have been places they could
> have settled year round.

The Mediterranean would have been a lovely place....

> A lot of our mythology and folklore reflects real
> events. Just because we don't have the proper
> context in which to place them doesn't mean they
> didn't happen or are just fanciful superstition.

I agree, but the question for me is when exactly are they talking about. The flood myths, for example, I have argued the case are not reffering to the end of the Ice Age, but rather a series of events that took place c.6,000BC.

> Either that or some of what was considered fringe
> 20 years ago is moving into the mainstream. Other
> than the idea that Antarctica was once the scene
> of a great civilization, I always thought GH's
> ideas weren't all that far from mainstream. At the
> time I thought he was asking questions that the
> archaeologists should have been asking.

Agreed.

> The
> hypothesis that there was an Ice Age civilization
> at least on par with Egypt and Mesopotamia is a
> reasonable one and doesn't deserve the scorn
> that's been heaped upon it.

Not so sure about that. Among other reasons against this, there is a quantum leap between the cultures of Dynastic Egypt and Mesopotamia with that of Gobekli Tepe. This is not where I started, I was all in on the idea, but after 25yrs of research and travelling the world, I have come to terms with the fact it is not likely this was the case.

> I still haven't read Magicians but I do want to
> read America Before.

Someday I'll get around to it but my enthusiasm level is low.



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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1977 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 411 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 356 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 381 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 332 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 297 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 320 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 314 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 305 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 296 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 278 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 289 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 284 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 295 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 275 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 Aine 07-Jul-19 00:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 303 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 262 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 238 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 250 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 247 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 292 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 263 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 265 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 266 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 259 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 272 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 263 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 258 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 274 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 246 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 287 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 274 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 262 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 270 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 286 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 254 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 266 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 246 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 304 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 251 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 259 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 258 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 242 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 302 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 239 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 354 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 280 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 292 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 273 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 270 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 238 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 241 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 298 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 327 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 260 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 314 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 274 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 292 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 270 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 309 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 291 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 252 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 312 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 263 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 330 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 274 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 266 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 260 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 244 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 257 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 272 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 251 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 253 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 281 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 267 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 248 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 252 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 243 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 262 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 252 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 260 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 239 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 277 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 275 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 271 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 297 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 255 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 265 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 274 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 247 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 282 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 292 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 269 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 282 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 254 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 270 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 264 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 269 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 251 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 258 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 276 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 267 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
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