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Hi Ray.

drrayeye Wrote:
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> Hi Lee,
>
> I became an academic person long ago with a
> special interest in light. Not light, as energy,
> but light as information, and the neuro and
> cognitive processing of that information. Along
> the way, I was thoroughly schooled in how confused
> and messed up things were in science, best
> explained by Thomas Kuhn:
>
> [projektintegracija.pravo.hr]
>
> I actually met Thomas about the time I was
> participating in a full scale Cognitive revolution
> in academia, and the experimental studies being
> carried out all around me were fascinating. A fun
> read from this era is Plans and the structure
> of behavior
:

You mention Kuhn often.

> [s-f-walker.org.uk]
>
> The source of much of my revolutionary thinking
> was, The senses considered as perceptual
> systems
:
>
> [safetyinstalzone.weebly.com]
> s-considered-as-perceptual-systems-gibson-pdf-file

I'm a stones and bones kind of guy.

> It was in Hawaii, working on a telemedicine
> project, that I stumbled upon "Fingerprints . . ."
> and devoured the contents. With such a radical
> scientific background--even within the academic
> world--I was not at all surprised to see Graham
> similarly tackle established dogma in fields that
> I knew nothing about. What surprised me a little,
> was that we academics were thought of as locked
> into dogma--to be exposed and enlightened by free
> thinking free lancers like Graham. But, the
> writing was compelling, and the discoveries seemed
> real--sounded like fun. Besides,I had always been
> a fan of blue sky thinking.

Its interesting how many people were first exposed to this subject, at least in a more in depth way, by FoG. Graham's impact on this genre, and public awareness of the subject at large, cannot be understated.

> The big difference I see, after following
> developments for 20 years or so is that so many of
> the contributors are really lacking in appropriate
> training in basic science and philosophy.

This is not a prerequisite and when needed they can/should easily defer to others.

> So they
> do it wrong--but don't understand why their
> contribution has not been widely accepted.

Can you give specific examples?

> The
> deeper issue is that many of Graham's flashy
> fantasies of lost civilizations can't be tested in
> sufficient detail to be truly supported--even if
> the "know-how" and resources were available.

History can be like that though, part of the reason why it is so open to interpretation and speculation.

> I've admired what you've contributed in Mysteries
> for a long time, and hope some of it turns into a
> book. I think it represents some of the best
> efforts to add some of the detail sorely lacking
> in Graham's books.

Thanks Ray. Very kind of you.

> Efforts to get more "sciency" in speculations
> about human cognitive processes, consciousness,
> and the universe seem to be new areas--especially
> when they involve some sort of computer
> simulation. It may be an area of exploration for
> the future, but so far I've found examples at GHMB
> far too sensationalistic.

Almost unanimously gobbledygook.

> So far, ones I've
> explored lack detail much as in Graham's early
> "Fingerprints.
>
> I never forget that there are two kinds of bad
> theories: ones that explain too little; and ones
> that explain too much. At GHMB, the theories
> never explain too little.

I think the problem is what they are thing to explain is nonsense in the first place.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1745 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 245 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 267 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 196 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 179 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 213 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 197 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 186 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 170 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 175 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 200 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 177 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 156 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 167 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 167 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 170 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 168 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 145 Aine 07-Jul-19 00:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 191 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 154 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 140 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 137 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 140 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 136 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 177 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 157 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 170 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 152 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 165 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 139 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 168 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 170 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 158 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 169 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 166 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 172 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 144 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 175 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 162 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 157 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 153 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 139 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 164 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 146 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 148 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 146 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 164 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 136 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 132 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 245 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 159 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 169 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 160 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 151 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 129 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 137 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 175 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 152 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 199 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 164 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 164 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 164 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 171 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 161 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 149 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 172 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 152 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 184 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 158 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 158 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 155 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 143 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 153 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 162 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 146 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 149 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 157 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 159 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 148 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 155 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 150 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 137 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 151 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 145 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 147 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 139 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 166 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 158 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 164 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 184 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 152 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 151 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 157 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 148 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 177 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 180 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 161 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 164 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 143 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 162 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 144 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 156 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 145 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 152 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 173 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 163 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 146 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 162 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 Thanos5150 13-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 179 AndyBlackard 11-Jul-19 19:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 144 Eddie Larry 11-Jul-19 19:47
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 164 Warwick 11-Jul-19 19:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 178 Dejus 12-Jul-19 11:20
the Dinosaur destroyer 298 hendrik dirker 12-Jul-19 15:02
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