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Dr Trogolodyte writes “Quick points: the ‘modern’ reference dates have no bearing relative to the Ancient Egyptians’ observations; the royal surveyors relied on ‘naked eye’ solar rising and setting sightings along the horizons; the stellar helical rising of Sirius signaled the Nile inundation.”

Forgive me for not repeating the entirety of our posts here. I’m not trying to minimize or deny your calculations, and the further explanations are very interesting. Thank you for that. As I understand it, the (approximate) heliacal rising of Sirius in ancient Giza is at the time of the summer solstice. The sun and Sirius are given as a conniving pair preparing the downfall of mankind on two consecutive lines of The Story of Sukurru (ca.2600 BC). Two points come to mind:

Firstly, what do the three causeway orientations contribute to the overall puzzle? Obviously, they don’t themselves shed a shadow, so would be of no use in confirming the date, unlike the shadow of the pyramids, and, to my knowledge, nobody has suggested that there were festivals associated with those approximate dates, anything to show that they had their own importance apart from marking the mid-points. Is there some text to suggest that the Pharaoh appeared on such dates, for example?

Dr Trogolodyte writes “Please note, the two (2) Pyramid Temple boats are aligned north and south, “visually” and ‘astronomically’; perhaps representing the solar meridian (as opposed to the southern boats’ east west orientation).”
“Given the above evidence, I maintain the supposition that the Causeways originate ‘from the east’, rather than ‘toward the east’.”

My second point is that I haven’t refuted the direction as ‘from’ or ‘toward’ the east, but suggest it might connect two locations. I would expect the boat pit to be linked to the death of the ship’s owner and that the ship, dismantled or entire, would have been pointing towards the Great Pyramid at such a moment rather than away from it - the most prestigious burial spots, placed alongside whatever monument was there at the time of their deaths, being already taken by two voyagers and their impressive ships; The fact that they point north/south is subordinate to the position of the monument and its easterly facade, in the same way that Khufu’s boat pit, placed in the next best position along its south face, naturally faces east and west. The Great Pyramid is more important than those who sail in it. In other words, I’m still not convinced that their positions relate to celestial events rather than to the monument. But I do understand your reasoning.

And I contend that the size of one’s boat indicates the size of one’s…importance. They are significantly larger than Khufu’s boat pit. It really is a question of whether the trio of distinctive boat pits in the east are to be given their own particular place in history as inter-related funerary sites of a forgotten era that precedes the Khufu ship (and perhaps even the Great Pyramid as it stands), or as elements of a vast solar calendar that need further explaining, or simply ignored, this last apparently the most obvious way to deal with them in our time.

Although this thread is an infinitesimally tiny dot on the landscape with a similarly small audience, I note that no-one has yet attempted a precise chart across ground for that pesky great ship that almost does - but does not - encroach on the Great Pyramid causeway.

Thank you for your time and this information.
Madeleine

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The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 3639 MDaines 22-Feb-19 09:52
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