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Thanos writes “These connections are nearly 2,000yrs or more after the fact and have no relevance to Egyptian history prior to these times. The relationship with Harran, for example, was established in the 7th century BC when the Assyrians invaded and conquered Egypt. Harran itself was not even founded until the end of the 3rd millennium. The poorly documented Sabians, mostly from less than credible Arab accounts, are from AD times and the connection they have with Egypt is only by way of their alleged belief in some form of Hermeticism. The connection between Hermes and Thoth was made in the Ptolemaic Period and one imposed by the Greeks with no historical relevance prior to its invention.”

The founding of Harran at the end of the 3rd millennium? Do you know of a text that establishes plainly that Harran did not exist earlier than that? Of course, there is the mention of Harran in Genesis, not that it helps with a timeframe. There is a town not too far away from Harran, ancient Edessa now called Sanliurfa, that has some rather lovely gardens and an ongoing tradition concerning Abraham. Apparently, it was on a par with Harran for its teachings at one time – Arabian source in AD, of course.

The Syrian Ebla tablets gave Harran as ‘a crossroads for trade in the Middle East’ at around 2300 BC. It would have been active well before that if it was already known far and wide as a crossroads. In fact, its very position along with this description would no doubt mean that Harran was in full contact with Egypt in the 3rd millennium, if not before.

The Sumerian name in full comprising three symbols, HAR-RA-AN, is attested from around 2500 BC and given as ‘route, passage, path’, a description that corresponds well. I have found meanings pertaining to commerce and financial operations connected to the name at around 3000 BC. It would be very interesting to know of a document that claims its founding. Otherwise, it will be a matter of opinion and mine will continue to lean towards ‘an age-old place’.

As for Greek Hermes becoming associated with Egyptian Thoth, perhaps it was a decision made by those pesky Greeks…or not? Plagiarism? They had an awful lot of similar/identical attributes, that’s for sure – apart from the ibis head, of course. Might they all have come from a third, perhaps older source?

And, of course, you’re quite right: Second hand accounts of ancient events given by Arabs in the 1st millennium AD leaning on older accounts given by Christians who wrote that, according to their 'source', pagans claimed the ‘new’ name of Sabians – by which we are made to understand that they had no right to it beforehand - are indeed to be handled with caution. That also begs the question of who they claimed the real Sabians were, the ones that had already been mentioned several times in the Qu’ran by then and were apparently untouchable. Perhaps they existed elsewhere but, in the meantime, I have found at least four occurrences of the epithet SHA-BI in a totally pagan setting in a text that I daresay you will prefer to continue to call The Instructions of Shuruppak. It dates to 2600 BC and it’s first hand – no Arabs, no Christians, only me. That name, composed of two symbols, has more to do with beer than with stars, but one doesn’t rule out the other. It’s the name of HAR-RA-AN that proves the people to be astronomers, but also brewers… References available on demand.

But I'm still interested in the origin of that Great Pyramid ship and would prefer to stay with that subject.

Madeleine



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The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 3605 MDaines 22-Feb-19 09:52
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 541 Thanos5150 22-Feb-19 16:15
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 406 MDaines 23-Feb-19 18:01
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 395 Thanos5150 24-Feb-19 03:06
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 372 Eddie Larry 22-Feb-19 18:39
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 371 cladking 22-Feb-19 20:12
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 375 MDaines 23-Feb-19 07:40
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 326 cladking 23-Feb-19 14:28
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 328 MDaines 23-Feb-19 15:23
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 277 cladking 02-Mar-19 16:31
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 318 Eddie Larry 23-Feb-19 16:24
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 322 Spiros 25-Feb-19 00:41
On the subject of Zechariah Sitchin 377 MDaines 25-Feb-19 14:49
Re: On the subject of Zechariah Sitchin 291 Spiros 04-Mar-19 01:11
The Exalted Sumero-Greek EN 300 MDaines 04-Mar-19 18:24
A Big Ask 360 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Feb-19 01:27
Re: A Big Ask 290 MDaines 26-Feb-19 14:25
Re: A Big Ask 355 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Feb-19 17:14
Re: A Big Ask 262 MDaines 26-Feb-19 19:30
Re: A Big Ask 281 Barbelo 26-Feb-19 20:23
Re: A Big Ask 286 MDaines 27-Feb-19 12:13
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Re: A Big Ask 242 MDaines 28-Feb-19 14:05
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Re: A Weird Ask 293 Thanos5150 02-Mar-19 05:12
Re: A Weird Ask 294 Barbelo 02-Mar-19 07:06
Re: A Big Ask 260 MDaines 01-Mar-19 18:35
Re: A Big Ask 257 Barbelo 01-Mar-19 21:42
Re: A Big Ask 279 Thanos5150 28-Feb-19 03:33
Re: A Big Ask 274 Thanos5150 28-Feb-19 17:11
Re: A Big Ask 260 MDaines 28-Feb-19 18:08
Heliopolis 275 Barbelo 28-Feb-19 20:18
Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 341 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Mar-19 23:56
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Re: Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 290 Dr. Troglodyte 12-Mar-19 00:17
Re: Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 254 MDaines 15-Mar-19 07:17
Re: Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 331 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Mar-19 16:41
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 313 molder 26-Feb-19 21:23
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 296 MDaines 27-Feb-19 12:06
Three Wise Men 254 MDaines 02-Mar-19 15:31
Re: Three Wise Men 253 Thanos5150 02-Mar-19 17:05
Harran and the Sabians 305 MDaines 03-Mar-19 08:33
Re: Harran and the Sabians 316 Thanos5150 03-Mar-19 16:40
Re: Harran and the Sabians 285 MDaines 03-Mar-19 19:24
Re: Harran and the Sabians 241 Thanos5150 06-Mar-19 01:50
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Re: Harran and the Sabians 232 Thanos5150 07-Mar-19 02:09
Re: Harran and the Sabians 261 MDaines 07-Mar-19 08:20
On the subject of Ebla and the Feather of Truth 257 MDaines 08-Mar-19 08:57
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 305 Broker 14-Mar-19 03:25
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 252 MDaines 17-Mar-19 09:11
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 257 SandyJesse 18-Apr-19 04:33
Celestial navigation and the ship 228 MDaines 23-Apr-19 07:21
Re: Celestial navigation and the ship 233 SandyJesse 25-Apr-19 01:50
Re: Celestial navigation and the ship 231 SandyJesse 30-Apr-19 05:16
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 208 seasmith 03-May-19 22:24
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 201 MDaines 04-May-19 08:28
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BEFORE BABEL The Crystal Tongue 230 MDaines 09-May-19 09:46
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Re: BEFORE BABEL The Crystal Tongue 188 SandyJesse 14-May-19 05:21
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 182 hendrik dirker 18-Jun-19 06:59
movement of Sun along horizon 151 hendrik dirker 19-Jun-19 16:23
Solstice & the epoch1250 BC 273 hendrik dirker 20-Jun-19 07:02
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 173 MDaines 15-May-19 11:00
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 191 Horatech 15-May-19 12:10
To Easter Island? 186 MDaines 15-May-19 18:10
Re: To Easter Island? 182 Horatech 16-May-19 06:56
Re: To Easter Island? 173 Horatech 16-May-19 23:48
Re: To Easter Island? 202 Horatech 17-May-19 06:25
Re: To Easter Island? 155 Barbelo 17-May-19 10:53
Re: To Easter Island? 194 MDaines 17-May-19 11:41
What A Shame 170 Barbelo 17-May-19 21:14
Re: What A Shame 191 MDaines 18-May-19 07:57
Great Circles and Small Circles 183 Dr. Troglodyte 18-May-19 17:34
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 205 MDaines 18-May-19 19:09
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 177 Dr. Troglodyte 19-May-19 17:07
Going Round in Circles and then to Easter Island? 218 MDaines 19-May-19 18:10
Re: Going Round in Circles and then to Easter Island? 198 Horatech 25-May-19 10:53
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 194 Horatech 20-May-19 07:33
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 175 Horatech 21-May-19 09:52
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 213 Dr. Troglodyte 21-May-19 18:30
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 228 MDaines 23-May-19 07:51
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 202 Horatech 23-May-19 10:48
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 186 MDaines 23-May-19 17:07
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 202 Horatech 24-May-19 08:12
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 222 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 16:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 198 MDaines 23-May-19 17:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 226 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 17:31
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 238 Horatech 27-May-19 10:30
Re: What A Shame 179 Barbelo 19-May-19 20:48
Re: To Easter Island? 170 Horatech 18-May-19 09:28
Re: To Easter Island? 156 Eddie Larry 17-May-19 15:11
Re: To Easter Island? 164 Horatech 18-May-19 14:58
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 188 drew 15-May-19 23:57
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 185 MDaines 16-May-19 06:14
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 170 drew 16-May-19 06:42
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Sometimes I go the long way round… 215 drew 17-May-19 00:59


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