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Hello Thanos5150; you wrote:
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”5 Khufu cartouches were discovered in Khufu II. Only one cartouche of Djedefre was found, but also found was his Golden Horus name which leads them to believe he was still prince at the time which I do not think makes much sense. This is but one of the pharaoh's royal titularies which I do not see where it is ever associated with being a "prince" if not specifically the king and if you read Verner it is the presence of these two names that clearly establishes Djedefre as the king at the time which is not disputed by the Egyptologists of Khufu II. Why would this now mean in Khufu II he is the Crown Prince" just because Khufu's catouche is found? Not to mention a name in a cartouche is a pharaoh's throne name supposedly meaning he has ascending to kingship. The meaning of the Golden Horus name is disputed regardless, however, it appears the only reason they say this is to mean he was prince at the time is because Khufu's cartouche is also found and not because of precedent or known meaning…

Djedfre was of an age not just to be prince, but clearly in line for the throne attaining both his throne and Golden Horus names despite the fact he was supposedly not even king yet. This is quite interesting because Khufu's eldest son Kawab was the Crown Prince and next in line for the throne and lived to an age to become a vizier, priest of Selket, and get married and have several children. And yet there is Djedefre his younger half brother running a quarry crew in the 14th year of Khufu's reign sporting throne and Golden horus name...?

Regardless, I can't say it makes much sense for Djedefre's name, let alone his cartouche (throne) and Golden Horus name, to be on a block at all if Khufu was still pharaoh regardless of whether he was "completing it for his father" or not.”

There is much to be desired in Affifi Rohim’s presentation; yet, for the present, it is what there is [known] to work with. At frame 36:28 of the referenced video, is found the slide crop below:





Note the word ”graphite” (likely misspelled) is pronounced ’graffiti’ (likely correct). Further note, the term ”king” references both the ”cartouche” and the phrase ”golden name”. As previously posted, Yoshimura, reported ”the crown prince Djedefre, not ”golden name”. Is this another misnomer on the part of Mr. Rohim?



Dr. Troglodyte


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G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 1955 Thanos5150 01-Nov-18 02:52
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 284 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Nov-18 16:15
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 255 Thanos5150 02-Nov-18 01:27
Khufu II vs Khufu I 305 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Nov-18 00:50
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 389 Thanos5150 06-Nov-18 06:57
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 267 Martin Stower 06-Nov-18 19:21
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 227 Spiros 06-Nov-18 21:14
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 246 Martin Stower 06-Nov-18 23:05
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 241 Thanos5150 06-Nov-18 23:34
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 283 Martin Stower 06-Nov-18 23:55
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 229 Thanos5150 07-Nov-18 01:55
Off topic 242 Hanslune 07-Nov-18 03:32
Misnomers [?] 255 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Misnomers [?] 240 Martin Stower 07-Nov-18 18:38
Re: Misnomers [?] 236 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Nov-18 18:59
Re: Misnomers [?] 227 Martin Stower 07-Nov-18 19:16
Re: Misnomers [?] 264 Manu 07-Nov-18 21:28
Re: Misnomers [?] 231 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Nov-18 22:39
Re: Misnomers [?] 259 Martin Stower 07-Nov-18 23:33
Re: Misnomers [?] 224 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Nov-18 23:45
Re: Misnomers [?] 246 Manu 07-Nov-18 23:58
Re: Misnomers [?] 269 Martin Stower 08-Nov-18 12:30
Re: Misnomers [?] 217 Thanos5150 09-Nov-18 18:30
Re: Misnomers [?] 223 Thanos5150 07-Nov-18 23:54
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 266 Morten 11-Nov-18 00:55
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 234 Spiros 01-Nov-18 18:51
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 258 Thanos5150 02-Nov-18 01:44
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 282 Morten 02-Nov-18 02:42
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 290 Thanos5150 02-Nov-18 04:57
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 274 Morten 02-Nov-18 10:46
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 244 Thanos5150 02-Nov-18 20:48
Anyone who cites Rigano can't be too far wrong n/t 244 cladking 02-Nov-18 21:04
Re: Anyone who cites Rigano can't be too far wrong n/t 273 Martin Stower 06-Nov-18 19:37
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 337 Graham Chase 02-Nov-18 21:24
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 309 Thanos5150 06-Nov-18 03:25
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 238 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 04:28
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 233 Thanos5150 07-Nov-18 02:30
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 232 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 02:40
Maybe stating the obvious but.... 279 Warwick 13-Nov-18 17:25
Re: Maybe stating the obvious but.... 267 Martin Stower 13-Nov-18 18:17
Re: Giza Map 314 Thanos5150 15-Nov-18 00:27
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 266 Thanos5150 28-Dec-18 05:14
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 302 Thanos5150 28-Dec-18 06:29


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