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Morten Wrote:
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> All of the numbers in question are accompanied by
> either the nfr sign (F35) or was sign (S40). Both
> are vertical signs,
yet presented as horizontal
> here. Have Scott discussed these signs elsewhere?
>
> Morten

Hi

I note that even though this is entirely your own question! (ie not Stower's or mine, both on the 'no talky' list) and despite SC monitoring and further contributing in the thread he will not address it directly.

For further clarity taken directly from Creighton's article:
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If we rotate the painted numbers on these blocks to their natural upright position—so that they are presented as they would have “appeared at the quarry” (vis-à-vis the conventional explanation for their orientation)—then the lower unit strokes ‘| |’ end up on the right and the higher ∩ value on the left. This means that the signs cannot have been drawn on at the quarry and then rotated, unless drawn on incorrectly:



Figure 3. Rotating the signs so that they appear as they would have “at the quarry” (vis-à-vis the conventional explanation) suggests that this value on the roof block of Campbell’s Chamber has been incorrectly written with the higher value on the left instead of to the right.
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No that is not how they would appear "at the quarry" by any 4th D scribe. Utter deception.

Clearly if the nfr symbol is orientated correctly, then it merely means the number is ordinal (12th.)
your scenario 2

As per
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All of them oriented the same consistent manner

5th 8th 12th 22nd 4th

And to your 'unanswerable question' LOL! of course there is no way possible in 1837 that Vyse or his accused colleagues could possibly be aware of OK hieratic rules or conventions and unlikely they even knew what the numerical glyphs meant.

Why would they go to the trouble/risk of faking on a difficult roof beam something they knew nothing about?
…..and seemingly despite 2 centuries of scholarship and access to it, seemingly after a lifetime passion SC doesn't either!



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