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Open Mind writes "Sorry if I wasn't clear. What I was saying is that I suspect the T shapes were made potentially far longer ago for potentially pragmatic reasons, because the dating is right around the time of the great cataclysm of the end of the younger dryas, which to me suggests they are far older and were only buried at that time. And I was just making a case for pre cataclysm societies being less motivated to create massive megalithic efforts for symbolic reasons rather than pragmatic - hence the admittedly biased perspective of the purpose of the T shape.

And therefore, I'm suggesting the symbolic masks might have been made by a more recent people who may have attempted to interpret that T shape and relate it to what they presumed its significance was. And I suspect those people might be the same ones who assembled these T pillars in the present configuration they were discovered in, which I believe was not original based on Robert Schoch's observations."

We all experience bias to some extent in favour of our own theories. That’s why keeping an open mind is such a difficult exercise. And pragmatism might not be understood to exclude symbolism or spirituality from a discussion, but another subject altogether.

To reject the evidence of the masks found at the feet of pillars at Gobekli Tepe as being put there by other, later people in imitation of them is a tad far-fetched in my every-so-slightly biased opinion.
The reason I intervened at the start of your blog was because the symbolic importance, and thus the spiritual connection, was to be set aside for the purpose of exploring, not a pragmatic, but a purely practical purpose for the place. That premise was unstable in my (pragmatic) view, and I pointed that out. Since then, I’ve learned that my theory of the T-shape as a stylized nose and eyebrows, with the Sumerian meaning attached to it of “spirit” (or “being” and “divine properties enabling cosmic activities” as the Pennsylvania Sumerian Dictionary puts it) has been supported by the best possible evidence, the existence there of numerous masks showing exactly that. The entry in the Tepetelegrams website actually dares to mention that they are T-shaped, very daring indeed!

Anyway, I won’t take up any more space on the subject here. The vibrational, musical aspect of the place is an interesting one, however much we diverge on the rest. Keep at it.

Madeleine

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Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 739 Open mind 01-Jun-18 04:11
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Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 74 Open mind 01-Jun-18 18:21
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 73 Jon Ellison 02-Jun-18 20:19
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 41 Open mind 03-Jun-18 19:18
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 53 Jon Ellison 03-Jun-18 21:25
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 42 Open mind 03-Jun-18 23:07
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 48 Jon Ellison 03-Jun-18 23:38
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Re: Gobekli Tepi Masks 21 Open mind 13-Jun-18 16:13
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Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 71 Open mind 01-Jun-18 14:07
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 62 kborissov 03-Jun-18 13:47
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 60 G3 04-Jun-18 08:03
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 41 Open mind 04-Jun-18 15:34
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 43 Jon Ellison 04-Jun-18 15:56
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 40 Open mind 04-Jun-18 18:28
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 51 Jon Ellison 04-Jun-18 20:08
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 35 Open mind 06-Jun-18 17:06
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 45 Jon Ellison 06-Jun-18 18:35
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 32 Jon Ellison 06-Jun-18 20:48
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Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 26 SallyA 07-Jun-18 03:12
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Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 51 SallyA 07-Jun-18 03:17
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 49 Thunderbird 07-Jun-18 18:22
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 36 drew 08-Jun-18 02:05
OT: -- Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 40 SallyA 08-Jun-18 02:15
Re: OT: -- Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 40 drew 08-Jun-18 07:08
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 34 Thunderbird 08-Jun-18 14:08
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 31 Open mind 08-Jun-18 15:33
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Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 42 Open mind 08-Jun-18 23:21
Re: Gobekli Tepi Pilars - thoughts on the purpose behind the shape 50 Jon Ellison 09-Jun-18 07:43


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