> Steve Clayton Wrote:
> > Hi Corpuscles,
> > Fabio had to take his mother to the hospital.
> > seems upset with me for telling him in his
> > incline that I asked him for Mass B (incline)
> > be pulled up by Mass A (Pyramid Face incline).
> > looked through the emails and couldn't find
> > I asked this. It doesn't even make any sense.
> > would we want a stone traveling down the
> > to pull up stone(s) on the Causeway. That would
> > dismantling the Pyramid.
> It would be a great pity ,after all that has been
> exchanged in the recent month or so, let alone all
> your previous efforts, that you do not persist
> patiently with Fabio (being careful to be as clear
> and concise as possible, and not be arrogant or
> create distress) and achieve satisfactory
> understanding of the implications and pitfalls
> your hypothesis and get clear unbiased
> professional facts and detailed unbiased reputable
> You do not and should not accept what I say on
> GHMB or anyone else. However this is meant as an
> attempt at honest constructive assistance in this
> It does not surprise me, AT ALL, that Fabio might
> have inferred, that the above scenario, is what
> you meant.
> Particularly, if you forwarded some of those
> original calculator screenshots, that I challenged
> as being inappropriate, in the other thread.
> Even the little you have provided from Fabio so
> far I feel like I can sense what Fabio is
> thinking, mainly because I have been through it
> myself, in contemplating your hypothesis. I mean
> beyond the basics.
> See if this helps your understanding and perhaps
> might help you communicate with Fabio when his
> has hopefully recovered. Sorry if this is starting
> out too simplistic, but to be grounded / thorough
> back to the very basics.
> The fundamental principle of counterweight or
> funiculars is the conversion of Potential
> Energy ( in case, potential ability to do work
> by a weight at height under the influence of
> gravity) TO Kinetic energy (moving mass,
> developing momentum and hauling force)
> This is a strange way to express it, BUT if the
> Ancient Egyptians (or whoever you think built
> pyramids?) had mastered the art of funiculars,
> then the ideal design would be to create a
> somewhat parabolic curve or stepped degrading
> decline. Starting at a relatively steep slope
> (pull side) and tapering off to a shallower
> incline (load side).
> They would not aim, or likely even tolerate a
> steady, even slight or shallow incline
> particularly for transport of very heavy loads.
> Certainly nothing like 4.6 degrees!
> The reason for this was partially related to my
> comment picked up by, with (argued) Origyptian
> about the acceleration value. You want those rail
> cars eg at the top of some Swiss Alp to start
> rapidly accelerating to gain lots of kinetic
> energy to pull the roughly equivalent but lower
> weight bottom rail carriage slowly gently up a
> shallower (bottom) initial incline, thus
> experiencing less resistance. Then be able to
> control the velocity via progressive manipulation
> ,or design/construction, of the progressive
> relative two gradients.
> The Origyptian 'hocus-pocus synchronicity'
> Bullsh!t about the CoF matching the 4.6 d slope is
> so inappropriate it is ridiculous advice or
> comment! Even without hauling anything it is the
> ingredients of disaster and extremely poor design.
> It starting as a very slow snail crawling
> painfully slow (or non moving
> !!! in your case with any significant relative
> to pull side load) gaining momentum to
> eventually becomes a (not so fast but
> uncontrollable ) run away train without brakes .
> All on "very special magic grease lubricant" which
> if that fails or if Cu on Cu touches (heat stress
> uneven rail wear etc etc) you have an almost
> certain planned multi-ton out of control train
> If I was project manager of the imaginary "Khafre
> causeway funicular" tasked with the job of hauling
> stones up the causeway. I would use the slope of
> the partially complete pyramid too (JUST HAS Fabio
> seems to have incorrectly assumed ) or build a
> causeway (ramp) as described above.
> I previously provided two relatively clear
> examples of questions (trying to approximate your
> language) for Fabio. If you release him from any
> obligation to be later named or quoted as
> authoritative (ie off the record and forget the
> complications and unreal nature of it) He will
> answer both in minutes!
> However, he is seeing all the complications which
> are you yet nowhere near close to understanding !
> You are basically only asking him to perform basic
> trigonometry vector math. (You could join a one of
> the many popular physics internet forums and get
> answers immediately as well)
> But he is acting as a proper serious professional
> engineer would on a serious proposal! Stick with
> > I have had my Mother in the Hospital, and it is
> > very stressful time. I hope she is alright. I
> > just wait for him to get back to me. We need to
> > take another look at this situation, just to be
> > sure. If it doesn't work out for me, I have
> > of other projects to keep me busy.
> Again I admire your creativity and enthusiasm. Get
> to the bottom of all this and you will have
> learned a great deal and then move on to better
> > Watch the new TV movie "Secrets of the Lost".
> > Google it. Let me know if Mark Lehners effort
> > pull a skid, up a slight incline, works for
> > Otherwise, you may want to consider another
> > option. :)
> I will try to look it up when time permits. But I
> am not really a fan of Mark Lehner (particularly
> in documentaries)
> Good luck
> I am interested in any later advice you obtain.
> Best if you start a separate "Funicular update"
From the beginning I planned on use 2-3 different engineers. The reason is, they may have a fresh idea or a different approach to solving the questions.
I have just barely scratched the surface. Possibly reducing the counterbalance weight on the causeway, will have a different effect on the friction, changing the outcome.
Eventually, I will understand. It's undeniable that a Water Funicular is a reality, moving people / weight to higher distances. I want to know, when and where the gradient drops off, how that effects the Funicular. Do you know that point? I sure don't. At a minimum, I am getting an education in engineering. :)
I will keep you posted, if anything promising comes of it. I know Jon and I both want to look into the different software packages they use to run their stress analysis. I should be able to learn how to use it, as it is based on CAD, which I work with daily.
It's all good...