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Barbelo Wrote:
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> The Red Pyramid is one of the largest pyramids in
> Egypt and the prototype for the Great Pyramid. As
> such, one would expect that the engineers and
> builders would have refined their construction
> techniques on this structure as preparation for
> their next and finest project.
>
> As causeways are supposedly a necessary
> preliminary construction to enable heavy materials
> to be transported from a "hub" to the actual site,
> then one should see evidence of such a pavement at
> the Red Pyramid.
>
> However, to date, no such causeway has been
> discovered.
>
> Adding to the premise that causeways link temples,
> there is virtually no evidence whatsoever of any
> temples at this site despite the assertion that
> Senefru was actually interred in the Red Pyramid.
>
> No temples = no causeways.
>
> Pyramids do not necessarily require causeways.

According to Verner:
"The causeway was also never completed. All that was found were the remains of supply roads for construction materials and paths connecting the mortuary temple with the pyramid town on the edge of the Nile Valley".

Meaning, for the RP anyways, that the causeway and supply roads were not one and the same, which as you note, the RP did not even have a causeway regardless. The mortuary temple found on the east side was poorly built and believed to have never been finished and while Stadelmann believes he may have found fragments of the Valley Temple wall incorporated into the pyramid town, there is no evidence it was ever built otherwise.

As an aside, recent ongoing (re)excavations directly adjacent to the north of the BP VT have revealed a massive mud brick complex older the the VT which included extensive gardens. Hardly the stuff of construction ramps. So near is it to the VT that Stadelmann thought this complex was a magazine or vestry of the Valley Temple itself, but these later excavations showed it was built prior to the VT. Concerning the garden:
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In 2012, a re-examination of the site using a magnetometric survey showed that the building was actually older than the Bent Pyramid Valley Temple and its remains more extensive than previously thought.

“The major aim of the project was to investigate this earlier building in its entirety and gain as much archaeological evidence as possible on its original layout, date and function as well as having a better understanding of the whole landscape of this area especially after a recent magnetic survey detected a settlement with orthogonal streets,” project field director Felix Arnold told the Weekly.

After removing 15 cm of sand, excavators not only rediscovered Fakhri’s brick structure but also found the remains of an extensive garden which once featured more than 350 plants arranged in long parallel rows enclosed within a five-metre thick wall.

The garden site is spread along the area inside the enclosure wall, and its west side includes four rows of 26 tree pits, which range from between 2.2 to 2.4 m in size with diameters ranging from between 50 to 100 cm. An irrigation channel that once watered the roots of the plants was also discovered around the pits.

In most cases, Arnold said, the space between the pits was covered by a thin layer of earth, allowing smaller plants to grow. Only in one segment was the earth limited to narrow strips, possibly serving as flower pits. Additional rows of tree pits were arranged along the east side of the enclosure, though apparently more densely spaced, while another two rows were found on the northern side. An area of 150 m in the core of the enclosure wall was left free of plants.

“A few remains of plant roots are clearly visible,” Arnold said, adding that the remains revealed that the whole garden was once planted with palm trees, sycamores and cypress trees.

“This is the first time we have found a cypress tree in Egypt,” Arnold said, adding that it could have been imported from Syria. He said that studies have suggested that all the trees were planted as adult plants, meaning that they were planted somewhere else and later transported to Dahshour at one or two years old.

Emphasis mine.

Purely hypothetical but I am left to wonder if this garden complex was a nursery for plants obtained through foreign sources, namely the Levant. We are reminded of the Palermo stones account of Sneferu bringing back 40 ships full off presumably cedar wood from the Levant.

Regardless, the mud brick complex predates the BP Valley Temple and would have been logically incompatible with a construction funicular causeway if it had existed prior to the VT as some here have hypothesized.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 18-May-18 04:27 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Causeways And The Sun 421 Barbelo 17-May-18 02:45
Re: Causeways And The Sun 408 Spiros 18-May-18 21:54
Re: Causeways And The Sun 331 Barbelo 18-May-18 22:31
Re: Causeways And The Sun 340 Spiros 19-May-18 11:54
Red Pyramid Causeway? 475 Barbelo 17-May-18 20:21
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 476 Thanos5150 18-May-18 04:20
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 372 Barbelo 18-May-18 05:00
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 403 Thanos5150 18-May-18 16:28
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 396 Barbelo 18-May-18 22:05
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 342 Thanos5150 18-May-18 22:49
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 389 Manu 18-May-18 05:31
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 370 Thanos5150 19-May-18 00:00
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 347 Manu 19-May-18 01:16
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 306 Thanos5150 19-May-18 02:08
Hor Us and Hat Hor 372 Barbelo 19-May-18 03:01
Re: Red Pyramid Causeway? 344 Thanos5150 19-May-18 14:46
Re: Giza - Ancient Prime Meridian 379 Thunderbird 18-May-18 17:59
Re: Giza - Ancient Prime Meridian 315 Barbelo 18-May-18 22:48
Step Pyramid Causeway? 874 Barbelo 18-May-18 22:29
Re: Step Pyramid Causeway? 340 Thanos5150 19-May-18 14:06
Re: Step Pyramid Causeway? 324 Barbelo 19-May-18 21:30
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Re: Khafre Causeway 353 Thanos5150 20-May-18 00:53
Re: Khafre Causeway 639 Barbelo 20-May-18 04:23
Re: Khafre Causeway 351 Thanos5150 20-May-18 17:27
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Re: Khafre Causeway 321 Barbelo 21-May-18 02:07
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Re: Khafre Causeway 327 Barbelo 21-May-18 21:12
Re: Khafre Causeway 337 Thanos5150 22-May-18 15:15
Unanswered Questions 308 Barbelo 22-May-18 22:06
Khufu Causeway 698 Barbelo 20-May-18 22:37
Re: Khufu Causeway 369 Thanos5150 21-May-18 04:08
Re: Khufu Causeway 349 Barbelo 22-May-18 04:08
Re: Khufu Causeway 389 DUNE 22-May-18 07:22
Re: Khufu Causeway 543 Thanos5150 22-May-18 14:38
Khufu'S Valley Temple 389 Barbelo 22-May-18 21:22
Re: Khufu'S Valley Temple 485 Thanos5150 23-May-18 02:45
Re: Khufu's Valley Temple 405 Barbelo 23-May-18 23:20
Re: Khufu's Valley Temple 524 Thanos5150 24-May-18 01:11
Re: Khufu's Valley Temple 385 Barbelo 24-May-18 04:11
Re: Khufu's Valley Temple 408 R Avry Wilson 26-May-18 00:41
Re: Khufu'S Valley Temple 407 Thanos5150 28-May-18 04:06
Re: Khufu'S Valley Temple 408 Origyptian 28-May-18 12:10
Re: Khufu'S Valley Temple 424 Thanos5150 29-May-18 03:54
Re: Khufu'S Valley Temple 346 Barbelo 29-May-18 06:20
Re: Khufu'S Valley Temple 357 Thanos5150 29-May-18 21:30
Wall of the Crow 371 Barbelo 29-May-18 22:12
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Re: Wall of the Crow 338 Barbelo 30-May-18 06:10
Re: LOL!.....No copper sheet/water Causeway at Coral Castle : ) 345 Thunderbird 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Wall of the Crow 520 Thanos5150 31-May-18 01:05
Re: Wall of the Crow 424 Barbelo 01-Jun-18 06:58
Re: Khufu'S Valley Temple 342 Corpuscles 29-May-18 22:30
Re: Khufu'S Valley Temple 326 Thanos5150 29-May-18 23:56
Re: Khufu'S Valley Temple 375 Romulus the 2nd 04-Jun-18 11:53
Re: Khufu Causeway 269 Barbelo 22-May-18 21:29
Re: Khufu Causeway 370 Thanos5150 22-May-18 15:22
Re: Khufu Causeway 320 Manu 25-Sep-18 12:43
Re: Khufu Causeway 272 cladking 25-Sep-18 13:30
Re: Khufu Causeway 272 DUNE 25-Sep-18 14:30
Re: Khufu Causeway 282 Spiros 25-Sep-18 14:48
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Re: Khufu Causeway 271 cladking 26-Sep-18 19:23
Re: Khufu Causeway 303 Thanos5150 26-Sep-18 03:02
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Re: Practical applications 374 DUNE 27-Sep-18 08:58
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Re: Practical applications 319 Audrey 28-Sep-18 02:46
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Re: Practical applications 287 cladking 27-Sep-18 17:13
Re: Practical applications 269 Eddie Larry 27-Sep-18 20:08
Re: Practical applications 263 Thunderbird 27-Sep-18 21:54
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Re: Practical applications 276 cladking 28-Sep-18 13:17
Re: Practical applications 284 Eddie Larry 28-Sep-18 13:52
Re: Practical applications (and infrastructure) 260 cladking 28-Sep-18 14:08
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Re: Practical applications (and infrastructure) 266 cladking 28-Sep-18 15:40
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Re: Practical applications (and infrastructure) 268 cladking 28-Sep-18 18:38
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Re: Practical applications (and infrastructure) 328 Eddie Larry 01-Oct-18 01:51
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Re: Practical applications 341 Audrey 28-Sep-18 02:25
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Re: The First Question 262 Manu 26-Sep-18 01:28
Re: The First Question 274 Barbelo 26-Sep-18 04:45
Re: The First Question 306 Manu 26-Sep-18 06:31
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Re: The First Question 287 Barbelo 26-Sep-18 21:48
Re: The First Question 252 Manu 27-Sep-18 03:23
Re: The First Question 271 cladking 27-Sep-18 04:22
Re: The First Question 286 Sirfiroth 27-Sep-18 17:23
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Re: A Change of Plan, The Trial Passage & That Platform 302 DUNE 28-Sep-18 10:22
Re: A Change of Plan, The Trial Passage & That Platform 354 Barbelo 28-Sep-18 11:48
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Re: A Change of Plan, The Trial Passage & That Platform 318 Barbelo 28-Sep-18 20:32
Re: A Change of Plan, The Trial Passage & That Platform 272 DUNE 28-Sep-18 21:13
Re: A Change of Plan, The Trial Passage & That Platform 285 Barbelo 28-Sep-18 22:34
Re: A Change of Plan, The Trial Passage & That Platform 261 Thanos5150 28-Sep-18 16:25
Re: "Original" Causeway 283 Spiros 28-Sep-18 13:14
Re: The First Question 311 Corpuscles 26-Sep-18 06:41
Re: The First Question 281 DUNE 26-Sep-18 09:16
Re: The First Question 280 Barbelo 26-Sep-18 11:20
Re: The First Question 280 Barbelo 26-Sep-18 11:30
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Re: Khafre M.T. floor versus Khufu 264 Barbelo 27-Sep-18 06:04
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Re: The First Question 279 Thanos5150 26-Sep-18 01:35
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Re: what if.. 301 DUNE 27-May-18 08:32
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Re: Khufu’s Causeway - Update 326 Barbelo 02-Jun-18 03:42
Re, the Sun & causeways 208 hendrik dirker 07-Jul-19 05:57
Re: Khufu’s Causeway - Update 186 Spiros 10-Sep-19 13:34
Re: Causeways And The Sun 344 Origyptian 26-May-18 02:47
Re: Causeways And The Sun 430 Barbelo 26-May-18 05:41
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Re: Causeways or Sand? 333 Origyptian 29-May-18 15:44
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Re: Causeways or Sand? 350 Steve Clayton 29-May-18 23:59
Re: Causeways or Sand? 322 Corpuscles 30-May-18 03:08
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Re: Causeways And The Sun 375 Origyptian 27-May-18 11:58
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