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Manu Wrote:
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> A lot can be learned just from these eleven lines.
> The king's spoken well-wish suffices in the realm
> of the living, but in the afterlife the word must
> be written on a stele in Rawer's tomb so that he
> can appease the gods for his transgression during
> the ceremony.

Perhaps these lines really do mean what the interpreter said they do. It's quite a stretch but it does seem possible. Perhaps it's still relevant even though it's from after the great pyramid building age. Perhaps.

But it still changes nothing at all. The interpretation still implies these people were highly superstitious. It still suggests they were each and collectively moribund and riddled with belief. It still suggests they had the same beliefs as the authors of the book of the dead from which the interpretor freely admits he borrowed material.

Unless it both applies to the pyramid builders AND shows superstition it is irrelevant and this does neither. It is merely interpretation consistent with assumption.

> Belief is to what we resort when a
> force is perceived emanating from a power we
> cannot see, hear, touch, smell, or taste. We
> substitute symbols to represent this power and we
> presume power and force are separate. In this way,
> the power is objective and the force it exerts on
> us is subjective. Superstition is when we take the
> objectification to its extreme. A pet rock has
> power over us.

You're merely elaborating on having put the cart before the horse.

If we perceive an invisible force than we are exhibiting superstition as soon as we ascribe invisible characteristics as well. In order to invent complex forces and communicate them with others it is necessary to have the words to frame it. It is necessary to have words like "thought" and "belief". It is impossible to sidestep this.

> We know from their writings that the gods were
> immanent. The force was one with the power. Shu
> did not blow the wind he was the wind.

"Shu" meant "upward". It always meant "upward" and the closest "translation" we have is "normal force".

> He
> concludes this working backwards from the pyramid
> texts under his assumption that a religious text
> must mention words which reflect this
> objectification, an act he ascribes to a capacity
> held by modern man but not ancient man.

How would you communicate the concept "belief" to an ancient Egyptian?

How would you tell him about one of your beliefs or my beliefs? What words would you use?

The words simply don't exist so it would be impossible to communicate with them. Remember "Nut in her name of mother of osiris creates beauty as Re falls below the horizon this evening."? Is this how you would describe complex ideas about the laws of God and nature?

> Furthermore, he concludes that when you cannot
> objectify power from force, you cannot
> differentiate meaning from word.

Not really.

I am contending that words didn't have definitions in Ancient Language. Words weren't even symbolic.

Words were representative and, so too, were each of their letters when written. Words weren't deconstructed because they had a single fixed meaning that never varied. The speaker's meaning was deconstructed. The meaning of the sentence was deconstructed rather than each of its words. We seek word meanings that make a sentence rational and they sought the sentence meaning that made it rational. An entire sentence was almost impossible to confuse whereas if we deconstruct a single word improperly the sentence is confused.

Power and force would be part of a whole if you could think like an Egyptian and you couldn't belief in any invisible power with invisible forces.

> You cannot parse
> the meaning of individually written words when the
> words have no objective source code to whom all
> can refer.

:)

Indeed!!!

This is why the ancients referred to modern languages as "confused", and "divided". Chinese telephone was invented at the Tower of Babel. Each individual experiences his beliefs rather than reality.

> The words themselves are the power and
> the force they had on the ancient Egyptians and so
> they must be understood as an immanent whole in
> terms of a subjective experience as opposed to a
> string of individual objective lexical meanings
> strung together into subjective sense by rules of
> grammar.

:)

Indeed.

When words mirror reality they have power independent of the speaker or listener. No, not invisible power from an invisible force but real power because they can be used to direct action of anyone who comprehends them.

> I am going to skip over the trivial aspect of his
> method which says that only he is allowed to quote
> Mercer's English of Sethe's German to make his
> case based on context, but when others do it
> contradicting him it's parsing. His method as an
> evidence-sharing one is flawed simply because only
> he can experience it in his own subjective view.

There is nothing whatsoever subjective about my method. When they said bring me the boat that flies up and alights what they really meant was literally bring me the literal boat that literally flies up and literally alights. If they meant anything else they would have said literally anything else.

> This is not a method, valid or not, he can use to
> convince others.

This is becoming apparent.

However the fact is I have still solved how the pyramids were built and identified mountains of physical evidence while totally crippling current beliefs and assumptions. I have still predicted things like the thermal anomaly which Egyptologists want us all to forget.

> The other trivial aspect of his theory
> is that he fails to recognize that thinking
> happened in the heart and not in the mind.

The ancients believed the entire organism interacted with nature and the entire organism was responsible for all internal activities as well. I believe their perspective is far more correct than ours. Yes, they experienced their "minds" and their emotions in their hearts. This was the most active center of the organism.

> Therefore the metaphor of thinking, imagining, and
> believing were completely different from ours, but
> that doesn't mean they didn't exit.

You could be correct but the fact the words don't exist PROVES they couldn't communicate beliefs.

> So I think Cladking's theory based on the
> assumption that belief requires the separation of
> power and force first, the objectification of
> power second, and the linguistic objectification
> of words to describe this process third is false.

This would be the cart before the horse.

First you need the words. Or maybe the first bumpkin who dreamed up the idea of an imaginary consciousness that drove men's lives would have invented the word "belief" simultaneously.

> Just like modern man uses symbols as placeholders
> for powers s/he cannot embrace with the five
> senses, so did the ancient Egyptians. The search
> for symbols of objectification in the ancient
> Egyptian language on walls full of symbols of
> power is like looking for a tree in a forest.

Or maybe all those trees you're finding is just a reflection of modern beliefs.

Ancient people were not superstitious, we are.

We are very highly superstitious. Everything we are is a belief. We see only our beliefs and we experience only what we believe after creating a model of beliefs in our minds. We eventually become our beliefs. All of our actions are caused by our beliefs.

Ancient people acted upon and became their knowledge. This is what made them strong, wise, and able to build great pyramids.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 20-Sep-18 14:33 by cladking.

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Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 4334 cladking 16-Apr-18 02:59
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 486 Corpuscles 16-Apr-18 04:14
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 432 cladking 16-Apr-18 04:48
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 373 SallyA 18-Apr-18 23:52
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 302 cladking 19-Apr-18 00:40
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! ... simplifications & avoiding traps 310 SallyA 19-Apr-18 20:31
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! ... simplifications & avoiding traps 319 cladking 19-Apr-18 21:05
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! ... simplifications & avoiding traps 290 SallyA 19-Apr-18 22:26
The Low Road and Science. 274 cladking 21-Apr-18 14:22
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 357 cladking 16-Apr-18 13:42
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 318 cladking 16-Apr-18 13:59
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 324 Warwick 16-Apr-18 15:35
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 309 cladking 16-Apr-18 15:39
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 310 Warwick 16-Apr-18 18:17
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 296 cladking 16-Apr-18 18:28
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 288 Warwick 16-Apr-18 18:40
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 280 cladking 16-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 285 Warwick 16-Apr-18 18:55
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 308 cladking 16-Apr-18 19:03
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 292 Warwick 16-Apr-18 19:35
Ramps are Dead, Long Live Ramps. 293 cladking 16-Apr-18 19:39
Re: Ramps are Dead, Long Live Ramps. 266 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 14:21
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 278 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 00:25
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! .. walkways 273 SallyA 19-Apr-18 00:13
Thoth, Moon or Human Thought Pro(cess/gress). 287 Manu 22-Apr-18 18:10
Re: Thoth, Moon or Human Thought Pro(cess/gress). 279 cladking 22-Apr-18 22:03
Re: Thoth, Moon or Human Thought Pro(cess/gress). 264 Manu 22-Apr-18 22:34
We Literally Stand at the Threshold. 282 cladking 22-Apr-18 23:49
Re: We Literally Stand at the Threshold. 291 Manu 23-Apr-18 01:00
Re: We Literally Stand at the Threshold. 258 cladking 23-Apr-18 03:24
Re: We Literally Stand at the Threshold. 325 Manu 23-Apr-18 04:07
Re: We Literally Stand at the Threshold. 268 cladking 23-Apr-18 13:56
Re: We Literally Stand at the Threshold. 332 Manu 23-Apr-18 16:48
Re: We Literally Stand at the Threshold. 302 cladking 23-Apr-18 18:14
OMG 316 Warwick 23-Apr-18 18:33
Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 288 eyeofhorus33 23-Apr-18 22:04
Re: Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 320 cladking 23-Apr-18 22:24
Re: Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 289 Manu 24-Apr-18 04:52
Re: Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 281 cladking 24-Apr-18 14:25
Re: Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 290 cladking 25-Apr-18 01:09
Re: Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 296 Manu 25-Apr-18 05:12
Re: Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 295 cladking 25-Apr-18 14:23
Zipf's Law 310 cladking 26-Apr-18 14:40
Re: Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 307 cladking 28-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 263 cladking 28-Apr-18 15:21
Heap's Law 280 cladking 28-Apr-18 15:29
Re: Threshold? Of what? Lunacy? 182 Hanslune 08-Sep-18 17:31
A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 288 Barbelo 23-Apr-18 22:38
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 297 cladking 24-Apr-18 01:03
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 294 cladking 24-Apr-18 01:16
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 245 Corpuscles 24-Apr-18 04:04
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 273 Barbelo 24-Apr-18 04:52
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 252 Corpuscles 24-Apr-18 05:40
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 287 Barbelo 24-Apr-18 05:59
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 314 Corpuscles 24-Apr-18 07:13
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 270 cladking 24-Apr-18 13:42
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 260 Barbelo 24-Apr-18 20:59
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 279 cladking 25-Apr-18 00:15
Re: A Prophet Is Never Accepted In His Own Town 283 cladking 24-Apr-18 14:30
Breath of Life. 305 cladking 14-Oct-18 00:04
Re: Breath of Life. 271 cladking 14-Oct-18 14:02
Lesson now learnt? 272 Corpuscles 24-Apr-18 03:44
The Rain in Splain... 282 cladking 24-Apr-18 04:03
Re: We Literally Stand at the Threshold. 191 Hanslune 08-Sep-18 17:34
No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 304 cladking 28-Apr-18 17:36
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 316 Manu 28-Apr-18 18:38
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 275 cladking 29-Apr-18 02:46
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 269 Manu 29-Apr-18 04:07
And Just Like That, Cladking's Whole Theory Was DEBUNKED 296 Barbelo 29-Apr-18 05:06
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 285 cladking 29-Apr-18 13:35
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 310 cladking 29-Apr-18 13:52
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 314 Manu 29-Apr-18 16:00
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 340 cladking 30-Apr-18 01:47
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 270 cladking 19-May-18 14:55
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 248 cladking 30-May-18 15:01
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 251 Warwick 01-Jun-18 16:09
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 244 cladking 01-Jun-18 22:58
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 222 Warwick 03-Jun-18 20:24
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 227 Thanos5150 03-Jun-18 20:51
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 251 Warwick 04-Jun-18 20:09
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 291 cladking 04-Jun-18 20:51
Re: No Human Thought Pro(cess/esses). 243 cladking 03-Jun-18 22:57
They Simply Did Not Think! 306 cladking 30-Apr-18 17:45
Re: They Simply Did Not Think! 336 cladking 30-Apr-18 18:10
Pyramid Text 534 Pepi I original and translation 270 Manu 22-Apr-18 21:58
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 318 Eddie Larry 16-Apr-18 18:04
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 280 cladking 16-Apr-18 18:22
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 315 Warwick 16-Apr-18 18:27
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 274 cladking 16-Apr-18 18:35
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 280 Warwick 16-Apr-18 18:45
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 269 cladking 16-Apr-18 18:57
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 275 Warwick 16-Apr-18 19:32
Common Sense. 289 cladking 16-Apr-18 19:36
Re: Common Sense. 286 Warwick 16-Apr-18 19:38
Re: Common Sense. 306 cladking 16-Apr-18 19:45
Re: Common Sense. 270 Warwick 16-Apr-18 20:42
Re: Common Sense. 267 cladking 16-Apr-18 21:02
Re: Common Sense. 257 Warwick 17-Apr-18 15:52
Re: Common Sense. 298 cladking 17-Apr-18 19:13
Re: Common Sense. 265 Warwick 17-Apr-18 19:35
Re: Common Sense. 289 cladking 17-Apr-18 19:52
Re: Common Sense. 293 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 02:27
Re: Common Sense. 290 cladking 19-Apr-18 12:45
Amazing 279 Warwick 19-Apr-18 13:30
Re: Amazing 255 cladking 19-Apr-18 14:12
Re: Common Sense . . . upgraded . . .??? . ? . ? . _____ 272 SallyA 19-Apr-18 20:52
Re: Common Sense. 257 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 14:19
Egyptoilogy. 279 cladking 21-Apr-18 14:39
Re: Egyptoilogy. 291 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 16:21
Re: Egyptoilogy. 275 cladking 21-Apr-18 17:33
Re: Egyptoilogy. 273 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 17:48
You're definitely losing it. n/t 270 cladking 21-Apr-18 18:26
Re: You're definitely losing it. n/t 291 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 19:23
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 293 cladking 16-Apr-18 18:44
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 308 Warwick 16-Apr-18 18:48
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 278 cladking 16-Apr-18 19:09
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 270 SallyA 19-Apr-18 01:00
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 264 cladking 19-Apr-18 01:32
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 292 SallyA 19-Apr-18 04:44
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 250 cladking 19-Apr-18 12:09
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! . . additive viewpoints . . 268 SallyA 19-Apr-18 21:40
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! . . additive viewpoints . . 271 cladking 19-Apr-18 21:57
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! . . additive viewpoints . . 270 SallyA 19-Apr-18 23:40
Re: Proof Ancient People ancient language & brain harmonics . . . additive viewpoints . . 271 SallyA 02-May-18 19:29
Ancient People, ancient language & perspective . . EIGENSTATES 304 SallyA 02-May-18 19:46
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 290 Eddie Larry 16-Apr-18 19:16
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 292 Warwick 16-Apr-18 19:29
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 280 cladking 16-Apr-18 19:33
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 282 Warwick 16-Apr-18 19:36
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 256 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 02:30
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 282 Eddie Larry 16-Apr-18 20:46
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 292 Warwick 16-Apr-18 20:51
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 282 Eddie Larry 16-Apr-18 21:00
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 262 cladking 16-Apr-18 19:48
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 249 cladking 16-Apr-18 20:00
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 264 Eddie Larry 16-Apr-18 20:50
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 254 cladking 16-Apr-18 20:59
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 288 Eddie Larry 16-Apr-18 21:23
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 263 cladking 16-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 323 Eddie Larry 16-Apr-18 23:02
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 268 Warwick 17-Apr-18 16:00
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 289 Eddie Larry 17-Apr-18 17:34
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 259 Warwick 17-Apr-18 17:40
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 274 Eddie Larry 18-Apr-18 19:51
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 292 cladking 18-Apr-18 21:04
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 265 Eddie Larry 18-Apr-18 21:49
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 280 cladking 18-Apr-18 22:01
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 293 Eddie Larry 18-Apr-18 22:27
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 108 cladking 09-Jan-19 18:14
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 269 cladking 17-Apr-18 19:54
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 252 Warwick 17-Apr-18 20:34
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 271 cladking 17-Apr-18 21:33
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 257 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 02:36
Superstition Vs Words of the Gods. 279 cladking 17-Apr-18 13:12
Re: Superstition Vs Words of the Gods. 242 cladking 17-Apr-18 13:57
Re: Superstition Vs Words of the Gods. 288 Eddie Larry 17-Apr-18 14:15
Words of the Gods Were the Words of Science. 278 cladking 17-Apr-18 18:40
Re: Words of the Gods Were the Words of Science. 273 Warwick 17-Apr-18 18:53
Re: Words of the Gods Were the Words of Science. 290 cladking 17-Apr-18 19:19
Re: Words of the Gods Were the Words of Science. 271 Warwick 17-Apr-18 19:31
Re: Superstition Vs Words of the Gods. 276 Warwick 17-Apr-18 17:46
Re: Superstition Vs Words of the Gods. 274 cladking 17-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Superstition Vs Words of the Gods. 302 Warwick 17-Apr-18 19:00
Re: Superstition Vs Words of the Gods. . . thermal anomoly ? link please .. NM 297 SallyA 19-Apr-18 02:02
Your post, translated ... 288 eyeofhorus33 17-Apr-18 19:18
Re: Your post, translated ... 350 cladking 17-Apr-18 19:35
Re: Your post, translated ... 269 Warwick 17-Apr-18 19:46
Re: Your post, translated ... 280 cladking 17-Apr-18 19:59
Re: Your post, translated ... 287 eyeofhorus33 17-Apr-18 20:08
Re: Your post, translated ... 266 Warwick 17-Apr-18 20:31
Re: Your post, translated ... 310 cladking 17-Apr-18 21:48
Re: Your post, translated ... 290 eyeofhorus33 17-Apr-18 21:53
Re: Your post, translated ... 302 atugablish 17-Apr-18 23:31
Re: Your post, translated ... 272 Eddie Larry 18-Apr-18 00:01
Re: Your post, translated ... 270 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 00:41
Re: Your post, translated ... 296 cladking 18-Apr-18 01:02
Enter FEAR 274 Warwick 18-Apr-18 01:10
Re: Your post, translated ... 270 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 02:24
Re: Your post, translated ... but a point of view? 267 SallyA 18-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Your post, translated ... but a point of view? 255 cladking 18-Apr-18 04:04
Re: Your post, translated ... but a point of view? 281 SallyA 19-Apr-18 02:24
Re: Your post, translated ... 291 cladking 19-Apr-18 02:15
Re: Your post, translated ... 243 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 14:17
Your post is mere deflection... 282 cladking 21-Apr-18 15:22
Re: Your post is mere deflection... 274 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 16:28
Re: Your post is mere deflection... 267 cladking 21-Apr-18 17:45
Re: Your post is mere deflection... 285 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 19:16
Re: Your post is mere deflection... 259 cladking 21-Apr-18 23:50
Re: Your post is mere deflection... 266 Hanslune 22-Apr-18 01:11
Re: Your post, translated ... 275 cladking 17-Apr-18 21:42
Re: Your post, translated ... 292 eyeofhorus33 17-Apr-18 21:54
Re: Your post, translated ... 290 Hanslune 22-Apr-18 01:14
Re: Your post, translated ... 266 SallyA 18-Apr-18 00:41
Re: Your post, translated ... 290 cladking 18-Apr-18 01:09
Re: Your post, translated ... 279 SallyA 18-Apr-18 02:36
Re: Your post, translated ... 280 cladking 18-Apr-18 03:56
Re: Your post, translated ...thank you (!) . . about those abreviations for kinds of beer, bread and so forth 313 SallyA 18-Apr-18 06:27
Re: Your post, translated ...thank you (!) . . about those abreviations for kinds of beer, bread and so forth 254 cladking 18-Apr-18 13:44
Re: Your post, translated ...thank you (!) . . about those abreviations for kinds of beer, bread and so forth 268 SallyA 19-Apr-18 03:17
Re: Your post, translated ...thank you (!) . . about those abreviations for kinds of beer, bread and so forth 279 cladking 19-Apr-18 03:40
A Charlatan, A Fraud Or Deluded 272 Barbelo 19-Apr-18 04:00
Re: A Charlatan, A Fraud Or Deluded 308 cladking 19-Apr-18 04:18
Re: A Charlatan, A Fraud Or Deluded 381 Thanos5150 19-Apr-18 05:11
Re: A Charlatan, A Fraud Or Deluded 291 cladking 19-Apr-18 12:15
Re: Your post, translated ...thank you (!) . . ??? read the whole theead? 262 SallyA 18-Apr-18 22:32
Re: Your post, translated ...thank you (!) . . ??? read the whole theead? 267 cladking 19-Apr-18 00:20
Re: Your post, translated ...thank you (!) . . ??? read the whole theead? 249 SallyA 19-Apr-18 03:44
Re: Your post, translated ...thank you (!) . . ??? read the whole theead? 264 cladking 19-Apr-18 04:01
Re: Your post, translated ...thank you (!) . . lynx .. a smaller, tail-less cat with tufted ears 261 SallyA 19-Apr-18 04:57
Be my guest ... 299 eyeofhorus33 17-Apr-18 19:47
Re: Be my guest ... 269 eyeofhorus33 17-Apr-18 22:03
Re: Be my guest ... 303 cladking 17-Apr-18 22:30
Re: Be my guest ... 280 eyeofhorus33 18-Apr-18 17:24
Re: Be my guest ... 247 cladking 18-Apr-18 17:48
Re: Be my guest ... 272 eyeofhorus33 18-Apr-18 18:04
Re: Be my guest ... 265 cladking 18-Apr-18 19:07
Read this thread. 253 cladking 18-Apr-18 18:02
Re: Be my guest ... 283 Manu 17-Apr-18 22:53
Re: Be my guest ... 294 Corpuscles 18-Apr-18 00:00
Re: Be my guest ... 269 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 00:35
Re: Be my guest ... 281 Corpuscles 18-Apr-18 01:22
Re: Be my guest ... 252 cladking 18-Apr-18 01:40
Re: Be my guest ... 269 Corpuscles 18-Apr-18 03:15
Re: Be my guest ... 284 cladking 18-Apr-18 04:14
Re: Be my guest ... 287 Corpuscles 18-Apr-18 04:59
Re: Be my guest ... 271 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 05:51
Re: Be my guest ... 289 Warwick 18-Apr-18 15:59
Re: Be my guest ... 267 cladking 18-Apr-18 16:20
Re: Be my guest ... 273 Warwick 19-Apr-18 15:13
Re: Be my guest ... 262 Thanos5150 19-Apr-18 20:10
Re: Be my guest ... 260 Warwick 20-Apr-18 15:40
Re: Be my guest ... 268 cladking 18-Apr-18 01:27
Re: Be my guest ... 270 Corpuscles 18-Apr-18 02:28
Re: Be my guest ... 311 cladking 18-Apr-18 03:43
Re: Be my guest ... 269 sfbey 18-Apr-18 14:13
Re: Be my guest ... 286 cladking 18-Apr-18 02:07
Re: Be my guest ... 267 Manu 18-Apr-18 17:53
Re: Be my guest ... 255 cladking 18-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Be my guest ... 276 cladking 19-Apr-18 13:44
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 323 Manu 18-Apr-18 00:17
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 261 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 00:45
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 249 Warwick 18-Apr-18 01:02
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 273 cladking 18-Apr-18 01:53
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 264 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 02:19
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 256 cladking 18-Apr-18 04:17
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 280 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 05:42
Rephrasing of Proof. 303 cladking 18-Apr-18 14:45
They Simply Didn't Have the Words. 301 cladking 18-Apr-18 15:25
Re: They Simply Didn't Have the Words. 285 SallyA 20-Apr-18 02:16
Re: They Simply Didn't Have the Words. 262 cladking 20-Apr-18 13:28
Re: They Simply Didn't Have the Words. 254 SallyA 20-Apr-18 18:18
Re: They Simply Didn't Have the Words. 260 cladking 20-Apr-18 19:28
Re: They Simply Didn't Have the Words. 248 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 14:08
Re: They Simply Didn't Have the Words. 253 cladking 21-Apr-18 14:49
Re: They Simply Didn't Have the Words. 282 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 16:37
Re: They Simply, REALLY understood sound, but heiroglyphs were visual . . . Harmonics & Heiroglyphs 255 SallyA 20-Apr-18 22:06
Re: They Simply Didn't Have the Words. . .INFO_GRAPHIC 234 SallyA 22-Apr-18 01:51
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 102 cladking 29-Dec-18 04:08
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 271 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 02:53
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 276 SallyA 18-Apr-18 03:00
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 268 cladking 18-Apr-18 04:20
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 272 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 05:36
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 267 Hanslune 18-Apr-18 14:27
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 246 cladking 18-Apr-18 15:01
Poor Bumpkin. 278 cladking 18-Apr-18 15:12
Re: Poor Bumpkin. 257 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 14:04
Cue Hanlune. 298 cladking 18-Apr-18 22:11
Re: Cue Hanlune. 290 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 19:27
Proven By Every Word in the Pyramid Texts! 271 cladking 19-Apr-18 14:39
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 271 Barbelo 19-Apr-18 20:53
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 264 cladking 19-Apr-18 21:27
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 277 Eddie Larry 19-Apr-18 21:43
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 281 cladking 19-Apr-18 21:47
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 275 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 14:13
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 255 cladking 21-Apr-18 14:55
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 272 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 16:44
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 265 cladking 21-Apr-18 17:17
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 266 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 17:36
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 277 cladking 21-Apr-18 18:37
Re: Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 287 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 19:05
Pathology Is Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 303 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 00:54
Re: Pathology Is Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 275 cladking 20-Apr-18 13:54
Stop it! 271 Warwick 20-Apr-18 15:39
Re: Stop it! 266 cladking 20-Apr-18 17:07
Re: Pathology Is Proven By Every Word NOT in the Pyramid Texts! 263 cladking 20-Apr-18 17:04
Am I Mad Enough, Professor? 289 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 21:18
Rachmaninoff . . . its still piano . . . look at Salt Lake's amazing organ! 272 SallyA 20-Apr-18 22:20
Re: Rachmaninoff . . . its still piano . . . look at Salt Lake's amazing organ! 308 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 23:04
1000's of More Words Unattested. 262 cladking 21-Apr-18 14:59
Re: 1000's of More Words Unattested. 318 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 16:24
Re: 1000's of More Words Unattested. 279 cladking 21-Apr-18 18:19
Re: 1000's of More Words Unattested. 289 Hanslune 21-Apr-18 19:02
Re: 1000's of More Words Unattested. 295 cladking 21-Apr-18 23:58
Re: 1000's of More Words Unattested. 293 Hanslune 22-Apr-18 01:07
Re: 1000's of More Words Unattested. 340 cladking 22-Apr-18 02:27
Re: Ancient Consciousness, world sites,....Communication 278 Thunderbird 25-Apr-18 15:09
Re: Ancient Consciousness, world sites,....Communication 277 cladking 25-Apr-18 22:02
Re: Ancient Consciousness, world sites,....Communication 290 Thunderbird 26-Apr-18 00:36
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 268 cladking 04-May-18 16:02
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 299 Eddie Larry 04-May-18 16:23
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 256 cladking 04-May-18 20:41
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 294 Eddie Larry 04-May-18 23:43
Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 279 cladking 05-May-18 01:22
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 294 Eddie Larry 05-May-18 02:32
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 235 cladking 05-May-18 14:02
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 284 Eddie Larry 05-May-18 14:31
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 276 cladking 06-May-18 00:50
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 252 Eddie Larry 06-May-18 13:35
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 251 cladking 06-May-18 13:47
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 237 Eddie Larry 07-May-18 22:36
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 259 cladking 08-May-18 02:08
Wordsof Superstition 287 Warwick 08-May-18 16:50
Re: Wordsof Superstition 260 cladking 08-May-18 19:29
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 264 Eddie Larry 08-May-18 19:55
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 265 cladking 08-May-18 20:25
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 282 Warwick 08-May-18 20:34
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 238 cladking 08-May-18 21:32
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 269 cladking 06-May-18 13:37
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 286 Eddie Larry 07-May-18 22:39
Re: Get Some Fig Leaves Already! 339 cladking 08-May-18 21:40
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 219 cladking 09-Sep-18 01:11
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 225 cladking 09-Sep-18 01:36
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 220 engbren 10-Sep-18 05:28
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 199 cladking 11-Sep-18 01:24
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 235 engbren 11-Sep-18 05:14
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 207 cladking 11-Sep-18 19:12
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 258 cladking 12-Sep-18 02:32
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 228 D-Archer 09-Sep-18 10:50
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 195 nemomen 12-Sep-18 01:18
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 238 cladking 12-Sep-18 01:35
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 221 Hanslune 14-Sep-18 00:03
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 202 engbren 15-Sep-18 15:49
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 210 Manu 15-Sep-18 17:57
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 222 Hanslune 16-Sep-18 05:45
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 200 Manu 20-Sep-18 04:43
Insightful 198 Barbelo 20-Sep-18 06:37
Re: Insightful 175 cladking 20-Sep-18 21:32
Re: Insightful 188 Barbelo 20-Sep-18 21:54
Re: Insightful 175 cladking 21-Sep-18 14:10
Re: Insightful 187 Barbelo 21-Sep-18 20:55
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 186 cladking 20-Sep-18 14:32
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 215 engbren 16-Sep-18 14:59
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 177 cladking 20-Sep-18 21:23
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 223 cladking 15-Sep-18 18:36
So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 306 cladking 14-Sep-18 01:40
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 174 cladking 18-Sep-18 14:15
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 189 DavidK 18-Sep-18 14:34
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 195 cladking 18-Sep-18 19:05
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 189 cladking 19-Sep-18 02:57
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 220 cladking 19-Sep-18 03:03
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 107 cladking 08-Jan-19 20:54
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 86 cladking 11-Jan-19 16:19
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 85 Warwick 11-Jan-19 21:23
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 130 cladking 11-Jan-19 22:15
I stand corrected.. 84 Warwick 14-Jan-19 19:54
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 117 cladking 17-Jan-19 01:03
Re: So What Were Ancient People Really Like? 207 cladking 11-Oct-18 14:29
Ancient People Though the Eyes of Less Ancients. 236 cladking 12-Oct-18 16:56
Re: Ancient People Though the Eyes of Less Ancients. 105 cladking 29-Dec-18 04:21
Re: Ancient People Though the Eyes of Less Ancients. 108 Brian Patterson 29-Dec-18 04:39
Re: Ancient People Though the Eyes of Less Ancients. 134 cladking 29-Dec-18 05:01
Re: Ancient People Though the Eyes of Less Ancients. 99 Warwick 02-Jan-19 04:28
Re: Ancient People Though the Eyes of Less Ancients. 101 cladking 02-Jan-19 05:13
Re: Ancient People Though the Eyes of Less Ancients. 88 Warwick 02-Jan-19 05:54
What Hate? 99 Warwick 02-Jan-19 05:59
Re: What Hate? 85 cladking 02-Jan-19 14:40
Proof Egyptologists Are Superstitious. 105 cladking 02-Jan-19 19:00
Re: Proof Egyptologists Are Superstitious. 80 cladking 02-Jan-19 19:19
Re: Proof Egyptologists Are Superstitious. 81 Warwick 02-Jan-19 19:20
Re: Proof Egyptologists Are Superstitious. 100 cladking 02-Jan-19 19:36
Re: Proof Egyptologists Are Superstitious. 89 Warwick 02-Jan-19 19:43
I Think You Think Too Much. ;) n/t 81 cladking 02-Jan-19 19:49
Re: I Think You Think Too Much. ;) n/t 92 Warwick 02-Jan-19 19:59
Re: I Think You Think Too Much. ;) n/t 96 Warwick 02-Jan-19 20:14
Re: I Think You Think Too Much. ;) n/t 100 cladking 02-Jan-19 21:12
Re: I Think You Think Too Much. ;) n/t 109 Warwick 03-Jan-19 06:16
Re: I Think You Think Too Much. ;) n/t 78 cladking 03-Jan-19 15:10
Re: Ancient People Though the Eyes of Less Ancients. 104 cladking 02-Jan-19 14:52
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 210 cladking 19-Sep-18 14:31
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 183 Corpuscles 19-Sep-18 23:54
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 187 cladking 20-Sep-18 01:30
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 190 cladking 21-Sep-18 14:24
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 218 cladking 22-Sep-18 00:23
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 175 Manu 22-Sep-18 14:13
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 197 cladking 22-Sep-18 17:15
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 220 Manu 23-Sep-18 13:18
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 186 cladking 23-Sep-18 14:30
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 181 DUNE 23-Sep-18 14:38
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 183 Manu 23-Sep-18 15:31
Lever Holes 176 Barbelo 23-Sep-18 21:00
Re: Lever Holes 162 Manu 23-Sep-18 21:30
Re: Lever Holes 177 Barbelo 23-Sep-18 21:50
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 179 Manu 23-Sep-18 15:37
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 189 DUNE 23-Sep-18 16:57
Basalt Platform 177 Barbelo 23-Sep-18 20:54
Re: Basalt Platform 196 DUNE 23-Sep-18 22:41
Re: Basalt Platform 201 Barbelo 24-Sep-18 02:21
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 240 cladking 24-Sep-18 14:05
An Advanced State 217 Barbelo 20-Sep-18 01:32
Re: An Advanced State 198 Corpuscles 20-Sep-18 02:11
How Much Proof is Needed? 211 cladking 29-Sep-18 02:49
Re: How Much Proof is Needed? 189 eyeofhorus33 29-Sep-18 11:30
Re: How Much Proof is Needed? 204 cladking 29-Sep-18 13:00
What you will answer every single question put to you? 168 Hanslune 28-Nov-18 06:21
Brand New Nonsense! 282 cladking 29-Sep-18 13:15
Your very special brand of nonsense! 206 eyeofhorus33 04-Oct-18 21:26
Re: Your very special brand of nonsense! 194 cladking 05-Oct-18 02:26
Re: Your very special brand of nonsense! 199 eyeofhorus33 05-Oct-18 13:20
Re: Your very special brand of nonsense! 237 cladking 05-Oct-18 14:12
A new claim by Cladking we await the evidence...... 181 Hanslune 06-Oct-18 05:38
This thread is the evidence. 169 cladking 06-Oct-18 13:18
Your opinion isn't evidence 159 Hanslune 06-Oct-18 15:53
Re: Your opinion isn't evidence 161 cladking 06-Oct-18 16:21
Re: Your opinion isn't evidence and repeating it doesn't help 162 Hanslune 06-Oct-18 17:38
Re: Your opinion isn't evidence and repeating it doesn't help 162 cladking 06-Oct-18 18:13
Re: Your opinion isn't evidence and repeating it doesn't help 161 Hanslune 06-Oct-18 19:23
Re: Your opinion isn't evidence and repeating it doesn't help 157 cladking 06-Oct-18 20:22
Re: Your opinion isn't evidence and repeating it doesn't help 159 Hanslune 06-Oct-18 21:42
Re: Your opinion isn't evidence and repeating it doesn't help 198 cladking 06-Oct-18 22:28
Re: Your opinion isn't evidence and repeating it doesn't help 157 cladking 06-Oct-18 18:23
Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 160 Hanslune 06-Oct-18 19:27
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 184 cladking 06-Oct-18 19:53
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 173 eyeofhorus33 06-Oct-18 21:12
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 171 Hanslune 06-Oct-18 21:13
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 233 cladking 06-Oct-18 21:44
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 164 Hanslune 07-Oct-18 14:39
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 146 cladking 07-Oct-18 15:45
Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 175 Hanslune 07-Oct-18 15:55
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 160 cladking 07-Oct-18 21:54
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 174 Corpuscles 07-Oct-18 23:13
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 168 cladking 08-Oct-18 00:22
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 176 Hanslune 08-Oct-18 02:08
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 176 Corpuscles 08-Oct-18 05:10
Cladking is simply not worth talking too 170 Hanslune 08-Oct-18 06:13
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 203 cladking 08-Oct-18 13:52
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 144 cladking 08-Oct-18 00:47
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 167 Hanslune 08-Oct-18 01:51
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 159 Hanslune 08-Oct-18 01:33
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 158 Corpuscles 07-Oct-18 22:58
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 164 Hanslune 08-Oct-18 01:53
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 156 Corpuscles 09-Oct-18 20:22
Re: Cladking takes back a false claim of infallibility 217 cladking 09-Oct-18 20:28
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 169 cladking 07-Oct-18 16:03
Cladking makes excuses for not publishing his research 197 Hanslune 07-Oct-18 17:47
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 195 eyeofhorus33 09-Oct-18 18:44
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 191 cladking 09-Oct-18 20:17
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 201 cladking 10-Oct-18 13:58
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 185 Hanslune 07-Oct-18 14:31
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 208 cladking 07-Oct-18 14:55
Re: Cladking doesn't know what Metaphysics is 198 Hanslune 06-Oct-18 21:15
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 114 cladking 03-Jan-19 15:36
Re: Proof Ancient People Were not Superstitious! 78 cladking 08-Feb-19 15:32
End of Thread 79 Warwick 08-Feb-19 19:40
Re: End of Thread 71 cladking 08-Feb-19 21:25
Re: End of Thread 74 Warwick 09-Feb-19 03:20
Re: End of Thread 165 cladking 13-Feb-19 03:16


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