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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> My understanding is that they did not have such a
> thing as a "league" but the translation was
> offered as a placeholder using the English word of
> what they thought was the nearest equivalent.
> (Added-the idea of it being less than a mile was
> my own math extrapolating from the cord which the
> source said the Babylonian equivalent of a
> "league" was 30 cord, but this could be wrong).

I thought you might have some info.

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The word beru, translated by Heidel as
> double-hour and by Speiser as league is a very
> curious one. It seems to be formed from a
> subsidiary stem of the verb root beru, whose basic
> meaning is to starve or to be hungry. From this
> basic meaning the subsidiary stem in question
> developed its meaning to persevere, to hold out,
> in other words, to hold out against starvation. In
> actual usage, the meaning was extended and the
> word came to mean to endure without interruption,
> and to continue to last. The word was used
> specifically in astronomy to describe stars and
> plnets which continued to be visible and had not
> gone below the horizon. From this verb, a noun was
> constructed with the meaning duration, although it
> was generally in the form biritu. A related
> preposition meant between, since what was endured
> between constituted an interval.
> This noun also had a highly specific astronomical
> usage, meaning the angle of elongation of a star
> or planet. That means the angular distance from
> the sun. (In the case of Mercury, this never
> exceeds 28 degrees, which is just under 1/3 of a
> right angle, and may possibly relate to the thirds
> which were discussed above in note 11.) The
> central celestial sky band of An had an angular
> width of between 30 and 34 degrees, since An was
> identified with the number 60, it would seem that
> the degrees of his sky band were double-degrees,
> to yield this number. Perhaps the idea of a
> double-hour is similarly a normal hour counted
> double. Heidel does not explain why he has chosen
> to translate beru as double-hour. I have retained
> this translation but warn that the word really
> means 'variable interval', when Gilgamesh's
> journey below the horizon is described, referring
> to the 12 unequal hours, two of which are the
> period of dawn.
> F. Rochberg-Hlaton, in an article on stellar
> distances in Babylonian astronomy stressed that
> the beru was: 'a unit of measure having three
> possible dimensions: length, time, or the
> measurement of an arc. As a unit of length, beru
> is customarily translated as mile (it is actually
> something over 10km), and as a unit of time it is
> equal to 30 ush (ush being the fundamental
> Babylonian unit for the measurement of both time
> and of arcs, equivalent to four minutes), hence
> 120 minutes or a double- hour. In the measurement
> of an arc, the beru refers to the 12th part of a
> circle, against 30 ush or 30 degrees, and serves
> as an astronomical unit, but only in the late
> mathematical astronomy.' Beru occurs so frequently
> in the Epic of Gilgamesh that it has been
> necessary to give a fair amount of information
> about it. The cosmic journey throughout the Epic,
> and the number of berus traversed on each
> occasion, are of great significance for working
> out what is actually being described. I have opted
> largely to use the translation double-hour, and
> occasionally leagues. But precisely what is going
> on in all instances is by no means clear.

That is really interesting, makes everything as clear as mud. It's rarely as simple as we want to think. Whatever author you quoted sounds to be very thorough and obviously you haven't given Gilgamesh just a passing glance, you've put some time into researching it.

> So, if a beru is equivalent to 2hrs of walking
> then it would take 5 days to traverse this forest
> in either direction and 10 days to get from one
> end to the other. A forest of truly mythical
> proportions.

10 days with ideal conditions, as the saying goes; god willin' and the crik don't rise. For those like me who need visuals, about the same time to walk the length of the Grand Canyon. All those objections and calculations about the impossible size of the forest were kind of a waste of time. Often it's better to keep the mouth shut and do a little research first, or just ask.

I wanted an idea of what a cedar forest would like that would create such a stir in the ancients, found this nice video of a forest up tbird's way. I didn't realize they were giant trees but I don't know if these are the same as the Lebanese cedar. In any case, a forest stretching for miles would have been an intimidating area, wouldn't want to get lost in it. Having been in the Redwoods I can understand the sense of reverence one can feel in a forest of giant trees.

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