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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Hi Steve.
>
> Corpuscles Wrote:
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>
> > It is clear from thread title that one of your
> > points is Baalbeek is older than Roman. I think
> > that is established.
>
> Whew.
>
> > It is not absolutely clear that you are attempting
> > to reconstruct the history of the 'who' and 'when'
> > of the site.
>
> I have no idea when it was built or by who. All I
> can say is it seems like sometime before 500BC and
> after 8000BC. All things considered, likely in the
> 3rd millennium.
>
> > It seems however that you are proposing :... pre
> > bronze age ancient tell> Solomon > Romans
>
> No. The question is were the megalithic components
> at Baalbek built before the Romans? For some,
> looking at pictures of big stones and making up
> whatever isn't enough so we look for actual
> evidence. In this case, we have an account in a
> book of the Bible written in c. 500BC that seems
> to be referring to a massive temple at Baalbek
> which they even give measurements of some of the
> blocks, the largest apparently 15ft long. Not
> quite Trilithon size but to compare these numbers
> to the upper podium the Temple of Jupiter was
> built on these numbers probably jibe more closely.
>
>
> > What T'Bird was attempting to suggest was who the
> > heck was Solomon? Was he real and was he an
> > Israelite king?
>
> As far as the OP is concerned-who gives a shit?
> The Biblical tale gives us an event horizon of
> dating, regardless of Solomon, at c.500BC which of
> course would predate the Romans. I even say later
> in the OP that I do not think Solomon built the
> foundations of Baalbek or the Temple Mount. I
> thought this would be a given here, but it should
> go without saying Solomon is portrayed as a larger
> than life character of which many of his deeds are
> contrived efforts to create a greater posterity
> for the Hebrew nation, a common theme in the
> Bible.
>
> > As you likely know the basis for the 6C
> > attribution to book of Kings is that the very
> > little if at all archaeologically attested
> > Solomon and David were not written about (although
> > perhaps oral tradition) until after Babylonian
> > captivity. In the process incorporating other
> > Arabic Assyrian Babylonian folklore myths like
> > Gilgamesh to come up with the Noah story etc.
>
> Of course, which we do not really care about the
> archeology in this context just the days of the
> story which by all accounts is c.500BC. The Book
> of Kings is also found in the Septuagint which at
> worst dates to the 2nd century BC. Sorry, I just
> don't get the twitterpation here.
>
> > Moreover the biblical timeframes for said Kings
> > (father and Son) circa 12C BCE predate the current
> > place we/internationally recognise as Jerusalem Israel.
>
> "c12c"?
>
> > I do not wish to subscribe to academia.
>
> Uh, ok. That is your right I suppose, but what we
> must subscribe to is the evidence.
>
> > I suspect
> > the reference to 8000BC is contained in the linked pdf.
> > Could you breiefly expound the basis of that
> > dating herein. Please.
>
> The earliest neolithic period at Tell Baalbek has
> been dated to c.8000BC. The artifacts found there
> are consistent with this dating.
>
> > This is a native Egyptians thesis on the origins
> > of the Israelites predominately from an Arabic
> > scholarly perspective. It is not in anyway
> > "religious" nor did I find it biased. I make no
> > endorsement other than it is extremely interesting
> > if not compelling and recommend it to all
> > interested in ancient history.
>
> I'll take look when I get a chance. Thanks.
>
> > Lee, in view of your passionate interest and
> > project in reconstructing the Mesopotamian
> > connection to Egypt and Levant I reckon it would
> > be invaluable to see the non Westernised
> > perspective on the matter. It may have been
> > someone called or know mythically as Solomon but
> > who was he?
>
> As interesting as that may be, for the purposes of
> establishing a baseline that the megalithic
> components of Baalbek predate the Romans, I do not
> care at the moment. Regardless of whether he
> actually built what is referred to in Kings or
> they are just cataloging what they saw and just
> said Solomon did it, the fact is either way if
> Kings is reffering to Baalbek then this would be
> at the very least eye witness testimony that the
> megalithic component existed at their time which
> would be centuries before the Romans.
>
> I have offered three examples here as evidence of
> an older Baalbek:
> 1) Book of Kings
> 2) Recent archeology
> 3) Epic of Gilgamesh.
>
> The only point of this thread is to establish an
> older Baalbek with, I don't know-"evidence", yet
> all anyone here wants to talk about is the
> bullshit minutia of their confirmation bias and
> every single comment is negative like I just
> punched their dog. I am giving evidence that
> Baalbek predates the Romans and this is a bad
> thing exactly? Who gives a shit if Solomon was
> real or did what the Bible says-all that matters
> is that they talked about this megalithic place
> c.500BC-before the Romans. Who gives a shit
> whether the Epic of gilgamesh is a "real story" or
> what exactly was the cedar forest in the original
> tales (for now)-the fact is the Babylonians
> referred to some interesting shit in the cedar
> forest of Lebanon c.1800BC that kind of sort of
> maybe sounds like to me it may be referring to the
> megaliths found at Baalbek. The archeology
> confirms that there was an occupational presence
> at or below the foundations dating to c. 8000BC
> and later at c.2400-2000BC. You all can do
> whatever you like with that information, the point
> for me was to establish some sort of factual basis
> for saying the megaliths of Baalbek are older than
> the Romans instead of just looking at pictures of
> big blocks and making up whatever because no one
> thinks the Romans could do it or not. Come on
> people.

Alright already, some of us completely, neatly, sincerely, and not just merely do believe that the underlying megalithic foundation at the Baalbek sanctuary truly does predate the Roman Empire. And some don't.

What's the point? Is it to try to convince people to believe it. Is it to ask for more evidence to support it. Or is it to criticize those who choose to add sidebar threads that are cognate to the discussion?

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Case for an Older Baalbek 3603 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 06:04
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 558 MDaines 11-Apr-18 08:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 487 Origyptian 11-Apr-18 11:15
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 462 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 441 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 422 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:39
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 398 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:47
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 416 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 404 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:01
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 424 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 424 Audrey 12-Apr-18 17:49
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 405 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:36
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 389 Audrey 12-Apr-18 23:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 399 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 01:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 407 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 03:07
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 400 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 03:26
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 391 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:00
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 412 Audrey 13-Apr-18 03:16
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 391 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:18
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 492 Barbelo 11-Apr-18 11:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 414 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:02
Re: Case for no King Solomon 454 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:19
Re: Case for no King Solomon 434 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:51
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 467 Audrey 11-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 410 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 23:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 455 Eddie Larry 11-Apr-18 20:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 424 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:18
How Big Was The Forest? 414 Barbelo 11-Apr-18 23:25
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 532 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:58
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 448 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 16:18
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 407 MDaines 12-Apr-18 16:54
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 387 Audrey 13-Apr-18 03:29
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 417 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 15:20
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 421 Audrey 14-Apr-18 01:57
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 465 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 04:12
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 420 Barbelo 14-Apr-18 10:25
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 401 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 15:54
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 340 Barbelo 14-Apr-18 22:13
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 367 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 22:45
Re: Beer bottles Fly......Duck! 399 Thunderbird 14-Apr-18 22:26
Re: Beer bottles Fly......Duck! 363 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 22:37
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 370 Thanos5150 15-Apr-18 02:49
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 370 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 02:56
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 402 Thanos5150 15-Apr-18 03:36
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 398 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 04:21
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 434 Barbelo 15-Apr-18 05:45
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 379 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 14:00
Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 422 MDaines 16-Apr-18 07:41
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 392 Thunderbird 16-Apr-18 12:59
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 427 MDaines 16-Apr-18 13:30
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 407 Thanos5150 16-Apr-18 19:39
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 425 MDaines 17-Apr-18 07:40
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 368 Thanos5150 14-Apr-18 14:43
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 441 Mike D 20-Apr-18 13:15
Re: Did the Russians visit Baalbek? 358 Thunderbird 20-Apr-18 13:56
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 426 Thanos5150 20-Apr-18 16:00
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 380 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-18 16:09
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 389 Thanos5150 20-Apr-18 17:00
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 371 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-18 17:11
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 394 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 20:47
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 394 Origyptian 20-Apr-18 21:45
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 502 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 22:57
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 414 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 00:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 370 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 03:56
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 397 Corpuscles 12-Apr-18 00:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 393 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 01:39
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 427 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 03:52
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 374 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 04:36
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 402 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 14:12
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 403 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 14:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 354 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 17:01
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 427 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 00:47
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 320 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 03:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 438 Audrey 13-Apr-18 05:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 392 Thanos5150 14-Apr-18 01:32
Re: Baalbek.....Home of the God's 382 Thunderbird 13-Apr-18 15:14
Re: Baalbek.....Home of the God's 399 Audrey 14-Apr-18 02:30
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 392 Audrey 12-Apr-18 19:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 354 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 20:43
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 368 Audrey 12-Apr-18 16:56
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 394 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 17:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 378 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 21:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 405 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 393 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:58
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 342 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 17:52
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 383 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:06
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 390 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 21:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 422 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 21:37
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 376 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 22:06
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 374 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 430 Origyptian 14-Apr-18 15:14
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 379 Jon Ellison 14-Apr-18 22:20
Re: For God's sakes Lee!... 384 Thunderbird 16-Apr-18 00:15
Some Give A Shit 432 Barbelo 12-Apr-18 05:11
Re: Some Give A Shit 423 MDaines 12-Apr-18 07:48
Re: Some Give A Shit 384 Audrey 12-Apr-18 20:42
Re: Some Give A Shit 407 Barbelo 12-Apr-18 21:43
Re: Some Give A Shit 384 Audrey 12-Apr-18 23:21
Re: Some Give A Shit 365 Barbelo 13-Apr-18 00:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 424 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 15:03
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 392 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 17:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 415 MDaines 12-Apr-18 17:55
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 397 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:18
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 386 Thunderbird 12-Apr-18 22:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 423 Audrey 13-Apr-18 00:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 427 Thunderbird 13-Apr-18 03:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 385 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 04:46
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 451 Race Jackson 12-Apr-18 22:54
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 430 MDaines 13-Apr-18 08:20
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 414 Audrey 14-Apr-18 00:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 443 MDaines 14-Apr-18 08:04
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 435 Manu 13-Apr-18 18:10
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 407 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 402 Manu 13-Apr-18 19:50
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 400 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 20:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 401 Manu 13-Apr-18 21:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 387 Barbelo 13-Apr-18 20:26
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 231 Thanos5150 14-Sep-19 15:17
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 234 Eddie Larry 14-Sep-19 15:50
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