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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Hi Steve.
>
> Corpuscles Wrote:
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>
> > It is clear from thread title that one of your
> > points is Baalbeek is older than Roman. I think
> > that is established.
>
> Whew.
>
> > It is not absolutely clear that you are attempting
> > to reconstruct the history of the 'who' and 'when'
> > of the site.
>
> I have no idea when it was built or by who. All I
> can say is it seems like sometime before 500BC and
> after 8000BC. All things considered, likely in the
> 3rd millennium.
>
> > It seems however that you are proposing :... pre
> > bronze age ancient tell> Solomon > Romans
>
> No. The question is were the megalithic components
> at Baalbek built before the Romans? For some,
> looking at pictures of big stones and making up
> whatever isn't enough so we look for actual
> evidence. In this case, we have an account in a
> book of the Bible written in c. 500BC that seems
> to be referring to a massive temple at Baalbek
> which they even give measurements of some of the
> blocks, the largest apparently 15ft long. Not
> quite Trilithon size but to compare these numbers
> to the upper podium the Temple of Jupiter was
> built on these numbers probably jibe more closely.
>
>
> > What T'Bird was attempting to suggest was who the
> > heck was Solomon? Was he real and was he an
> > Israelite king?
>
> As far as the OP is concerned-who gives a shit?
> The Biblical tale gives us an event horizon of
> dating, regardless of Solomon, at c.500BC which of
> course would predate the Romans. I even say later
> in the OP that I do not think Solomon built the
> foundations of Baalbek or the Temple Mount. I
> thought this would be a given here, but it should
> go without saying Solomon is portrayed as a larger
> than life character of which many of his deeds are
> contrived efforts to create a greater posterity
> for the Hebrew nation, a common theme in the
> Bible.
>
> > As you likely know the basis for the 6C
> > attribution to book of Kings is that the very
> > little if at all archaeologically attested
> > Solomon and David were not written about (although
> > perhaps oral tradition) until after Babylonian
> > captivity. In the process incorporating other
> > Arabic Assyrian Babylonian folklore myths like
> > Gilgamesh to come up with the Noah story etc.
>
> Of course, which we do not really care about the
> archeology in this context just the days of the
> story which by all accounts is c.500BC. The Book
> of Kings is also found in the Septuagint which at
> worst dates to the 2nd century BC. Sorry, I just
> don't get the twitterpation here.
>
> > Moreover the biblical timeframes for said Kings
> > (father and Son) circa 12C BCE predate the current
> > place we/internationally recognise as Jerusalem Israel.
>
> "c12c"?
>
> > I do not wish to subscribe to academia.
>
> Uh, ok. That is your right I suppose, but what we
> must subscribe to is the evidence.
>
> > I suspect
> > the reference to 8000BC is contained in the linked pdf.
> > Could you breiefly expound the basis of that
> > dating herein. Please.
>
> The earliest neolithic period at Tell Baalbek has
> been dated to c.8000BC. The artifacts found there
> are consistent with this dating.
>
> > This is a native Egyptians thesis on the origins
> > of the Israelites predominately from an Arabic
> > scholarly perspective. It is not in anyway
> > "religious" nor did I find it biased. I make no
> > endorsement other than it is extremely interesting
> > if not compelling and recommend it to all
> > interested in ancient history.
>
> I'll take look when I get a chance. Thanks.
>
> > Lee, in view of your passionate interest and
> > project in reconstructing the Mesopotamian
> > connection to Egypt and Levant I reckon it would
> > be invaluable to see the non Westernised
> > perspective on the matter. It may have been
> > someone called or know mythically as Solomon but
> > who was he?
>
> As interesting as that may be, for the purposes of
> establishing a baseline that the megalithic
> components of Baalbek predate the Romans, I do not
> care at the moment. Regardless of whether he
> actually built what is referred to in Kings or
> they are just cataloging what they saw and just
> said Solomon did it, the fact is either way if
> Kings is reffering to Baalbek then this would be
> at the very least eye witness testimony that the
> megalithic component existed at their time which
> would be centuries before the Romans.
>
> I have offered three examples here as evidence of
> an older Baalbek:
> 1) Book of Kings
> 2) Recent archeology
> 3) Epic of Gilgamesh.
>
> The only point of this thread is to establish an
> older Baalbek with, I don't know-"evidence", yet
> all anyone here wants to talk about is the
> bullshit minutia of their confirmation bias and
> every single comment is negative like I just
> punched their dog. I am giving evidence that
> Baalbek predates the Romans and this is a bad
> thing exactly? Who gives a shit if Solomon was
> real or did what the Bible says-all that matters
> is that they talked about this megalithic place
> c.500BC-before the Romans. Who gives a shit
> whether the Epic of gilgamesh is a "real story" or
> what exactly was the cedar forest in the original
> tales (for now)-the fact is the Babylonians
> referred to some interesting shit in the cedar
> forest of Lebanon c.1800BC that kind of sort of
> maybe sounds like to me it may be referring to the
> megaliths found at Baalbek. The archeology
> confirms that there was an occupational presence
> at or below the foundations dating to c. 8000BC
> and later at c.2400-2000BC. You all can do
> whatever you like with that information, the point
> for me was to establish some sort of factual basis
> for saying the megaliths of Baalbek are older than
> the Romans instead of just looking at pictures of
> big blocks and making up whatever because no one
> thinks the Romans could do it or not. Come on
> people.

Alright already, some of us completely, neatly, sincerely, and not just merely do believe that the underlying megalithic foundation at the Baalbek sanctuary truly does predate the Roman Empire. And some don't.

What's the point? Is it to try to convince people to believe it. Is it to ask for more evidence to support it. Or is it to criticize those who choose to add sidebar threads that are cognate to the discussion?

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Case for an Older Baalbek 2951 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 06:04
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 482 MDaines 11-Apr-18 08:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 412 Origyptian 11-Apr-18 11:15
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 391 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 371 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 355 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:39
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 332 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:47
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 352 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 333 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:01
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 363 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 340 Audrey 12-Apr-18 17:49
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 342 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:36
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 329 Audrey 12-Apr-18 23:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 330 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 01:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 339 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 03:07
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 336 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 03:26
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 318 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:00
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 348 Audrey 13-Apr-18 03:16
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 327 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:18
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 419 Barbelo 11-Apr-18 11:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 340 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:02
Re: Case for no King Solomon 384 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:19
Re: Case for no King Solomon 369 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:51
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 394 Audrey 11-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 347 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 23:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 381 Eddie Larry 11-Apr-18 20:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 337 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:18
How Big Was The Forest? 341 Barbelo 11-Apr-18 23:25
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 371 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:58
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 374 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 16:18
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 335 MDaines 12-Apr-18 16:54
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 323 Audrey 13-Apr-18 03:29
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 347 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 15:20
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 350 Audrey 14-Apr-18 01:57
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 392 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 04:12
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 351 Barbelo 14-Apr-18 10:25
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 329 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 15:54
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 272 Barbelo 14-Apr-18 22:13
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 300 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 22:45
Re: Beer bottles Fly......Duck! 325 Thunderbird 14-Apr-18 22:26
Re: Beer bottles Fly......Duck! 296 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 22:37
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 308 Thanos5150 15-Apr-18 02:49
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 304 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 02:56
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 333 Thanos5150 15-Apr-18 03:36
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 332 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 04:21
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 357 Barbelo 15-Apr-18 05:45
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 305 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 14:00
Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 349 MDaines 16-Apr-18 07:41
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 326 Thunderbird 16-Apr-18 12:59
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 365 MDaines 16-Apr-18 13:30
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 337 Thanos5150 16-Apr-18 19:39
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 362 MDaines 17-Apr-18 07:40
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 305 Thanos5150 14-Apr-18 14:43
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 360 Mike D 20-Apr-18 13:15
Re: Did the Russians visit Baalbek? 296 Thunderbird 20-Apr-18 13:56
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 350 Thanos5150 20-Apr-18 16:00
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 314 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-18 16:09
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 320 Thanos5150 20-Apr-18 17:00
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 311 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-18 17:11
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 323 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 20:47
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 315 Origyptian 20-Apr-18 21:45
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 428 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 22:57
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 324 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 00:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 307 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 03:56
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 331 Corpuscles 12-Apr-18 00:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 330 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 01:39
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 348 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 03:52
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 306 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 04:36
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 332 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 14:12
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 337 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 14:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 288 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 17:01
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 349 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 00:47
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 255 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 03:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 368 Audrey 13-Apr-18 05:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 327 Thanos5150 14-Apr-18 01:32
Re: Baalbek.....Home of the God's 314 Thunderbird 13-Apr-18 15:14
Re: Baalbek.....Home of the God's 333 Audrey 14-Apr-18 02:30
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 318 Audrey 12-Apr-18 19:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 291 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 20:43
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 304 Audrey 12-Apr-18 16:56
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 330 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 17:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 311 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 21:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 292 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 325 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:58
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 283 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 17:52
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 315 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:06
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 317 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 21:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 345 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 21:37
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 306 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 22:06
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 310 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 347 Origyptian 14-Apr-18 15:14
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 304 Jon Ellison 14-Apr-18 22:20
Re: For God's sakes Lee!... 313 Thunderbird 16-Apr-18 00:15
Some Give A Shit 365 Barbelo 12-Apr-18 05:11
Re: Some Give A Shit 362 MDaines 12-Apr-18 07:48
Re: Some Give A Shit 318 Audrey 12-Apr-18 20:42
Re: Some Give A Shit 342 Barbelo 12-Apr-18 21:43
Re: Some Give A Shit 318 Audrey 12-Apr-18 23:21
Re: Some Give A Shit 301 Barbelo 13-Apr-18 00:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 361 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 15:03
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 330 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 17:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 357 MDaines 12-Apr-18 17:55
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 321 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:18
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 320 Thunderbird 12-Apr-18 22:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 306 Audrey 13-Apr-18 00:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 354 Thunderbird 13-Apr-18 03:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 315 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 04:46
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 379 Race Jackson 12-Apr-18 22:54
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 364 MDaines 13-Apr-18 08:20
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 347 Audrey 14-Apr-18 00:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 373 MDaines 14-Apr-18 08:04
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 368 Manu 13-Apr-18 18:10
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 336 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 321 Manu 13-Apr-18 19:50
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 328 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 20:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 329 Manu 13-Apr-18 21:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 315 Barbelo 13-Apr-18 20:26
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 146 Thanos5150 14-Sep-19 15:17
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 164 Eddie Larry 14-Sep-19 15:50
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