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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> MDaines Wrote:
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> > Thanos,
> >
> > A note of caution when freely quoting the
> > Gilgamesh stories as just about everybody does.
> > This time not my words.
> >
> > “W. Von Soden regrets that we depend on the
> > documents of the “Renaissance of Sumerian
> > culture” (around 2100 B.C.), instead of having
> > the real, old material at our disposal. The mere
> > fact that Sumerian was the language of the
> > educated Babylonian and Assyrian, the existence of
> > the many Sumerian-Akkadian “dictionaries” and
> > the numerous translations of the Gilgamesh epic
> > betrays the activity of several academies
> > responsible for the officially recognized text
> > editions. One can almost see the scholars puzzling
> > and frowning over the texts.” P. 120,
> > Hamlet’s Mill by Giorgio de Santillano and
> > Hertha Von Dechend, David R. Godine, Publisher,
>
> >
> > At the same time, it's reasonable to suppose that
> > the references to cedar trees are valid, and
> > that's your main point.
>
> Whether or not these early 3rd-2nd millenium BC
> copies of earlier Sumerian originals are faithful
> is completely irrelevant to the point. All that
> matters is that this is what the people thought at
> the time these were written which we can use as
> historians to help date these structures.


I would add the corollary that we need to be mindful of the limitations in how the ancient narratives may be used when attempting to date historic events and ancient structures.

For example, if an ancient narrative claims "I built three pyramids on Giza with my bare hands using a copper chisel and rope", the only logical conclusion we might be able to draw is that the author "thought" about three pyramids on Giza "at the time" the statement was penned and felt the need to express his "thought" about how such pyramids were built. Other than that, we really cannot logically conclude when the document was written, who wrote it, when it was written, or that the three pyramids we see today on Giza were in fact built with the tools and methods described in that narrative. At best, such a statement supports the notion that the three great pyramids we see today on Giza existed when that statement made.

Likewise, a document that states something like, "A hundred thousand men hauled huge stones up enormous ramps" could simply be the musings of someone trying to assert his guess about how the strange monuments he sees before his eyes might have been built.

For all we know, these kinds of statements simply may be stylized testaments of pious souls uttering a prayer, though fictitious in literal detail, that serves as their audition to the afterlife. I believe that this better characterizes what we are reading on the walls of many ancient tombs, for example at Rekhmire, Djehutihotep, Debhen, Unas, etc.

We may not presume that everything reported in the ancient documentation may be taken literally as a depiction of actual events. The Bible is a prime example. This is why I always put credence in the physical evidence rather than historic reports from ancient times, especially when you consider the vastly different standards of proof and conduct of different cultures throughout recorded history.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12-Apr-18 13:05 by Origyptian.

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Case for an Older Baalbek 1818 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 06:04
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 297 MDaines 11-Apr-18 08:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 234 Origyptian 11-Apr-18 11:15
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 225 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 199 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 200 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:39
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 183 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:47
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 202 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 170 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:01
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 206 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 186 Audrey 12-Apr-18 17:49
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 173 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:36
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 187 Audrey 12-Apr-18 23:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 168 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 01:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 186 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 03:07
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 166 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 03:26
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 179 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:00
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 210 Audrey 13-Apr-18 03:16
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 171 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:18
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 238 Barbelo 11-Apr-18 11:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 197 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:02
Re: Case for no King Solomon 216 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:19
Re: Case for no King Solomon 201 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:51
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 226 Audrey 11-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 184 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 23:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 198 Eddie Larry 11-Apr-18 20:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 206 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:18
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Re: How Big Was The Forest? 185 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:58
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 185 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 16:18
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 206 MDaines 12-Apr-18 16:54
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 178 Audrey 13-Apr-18 03:29
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 195 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 15:20
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 201 Audrey 14-Apr-18 01:57
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 230 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 04:12
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Re: Beer bottles Fly......Duck! 174 Thunderbird 14-Apr-18 22:26
Re: Beer bottles Fly......Duck! 169 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 22:37
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 160 Thanos5150 15-Apr-18 02:49
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 167 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 02:56
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 181 Thanos5150 15-Apr-18 03:36
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 162 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 04:21
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 191 Barbelo 15-Apr-18 05:45
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 146 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 14:00
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Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 206 MDaines 16-Apr-18 13:30
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 184 Thanos5150 16-Apr-18 19:39
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 200 MDaines 17-Apr-18 07:40
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 170 Thanos5150 14-Apr-18 14:43
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 184 Mike D 20-Apr-18 13:15
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Re: How Big Was The Forest? 163 Thanos5150 20-Apr-18 16:00
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 175 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-18 16:09
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 162 Thanos5150 20-Apr-18 17:00
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 166 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-18 17:11
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 182 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 20:47
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 157 Origyptian 20-Apr-18 21:45
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 259 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 22:57
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 180 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 00:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 176 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 03:56
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 185 Corpuscles 12-Apr-18 00:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 203 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 01:39
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 190 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 03:52
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 166 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 04:36
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 185 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 14:12
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 183 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 14:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 147 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 17:01
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 198 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 00:47
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 136 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 03:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 198 Audrey 13-Apr-18 05:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 169 Thanos5150 14-Apr-18 01:32
Re: Baalbek.....Home of the God's 183 Thunderbird 13-Apr-18 15:14
Re: Baalbek.....Home of the God's 171 Audrey 14-Apr-18 02:30
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 165 Audrey 12-Apr-18 19:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 156 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 20:43
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 172 Audrey 12-Apr-18 16:56
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 175 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 17:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 180 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 21:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 161 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 169 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:58
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 159 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 17:52
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 166 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:06
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 156 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 21:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 180 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 21:37
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 159 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 22:06
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 177 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 174 Origyptian 14-Apr-18 15:14
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 159 Jon Ellison 14-Apr-18 22:20
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Re: Some Give A Shit 174 Audrey 12-Apr-18 23:21
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 171 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 15:03
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 176 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 17:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 220 MDaines 12-Apr-18 17:55
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 175 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:18
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 183 Thunderbird 12-Apr-18 22:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 168 Audrey 13-Apr-18 00:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 207 Thunderbird 13-Apr-18 03:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 177 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 04:46
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 227 Race Jackson 12-Apr-18 22:54
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 229 MDaines 13-Apr-18 08:20
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 206 Audrey 14-Apr-18 00:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 249 MDaines 14-Apr-18 08:04
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 204 Manu 13-Apr-18 18:10
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 168 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 183 Manu 13-Apr-18 19:50
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 170 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 20:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 183 Manu 13-Apr-18 21:31
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