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Hi Lee

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Thanos5150
So, we have at least one source that predates the Romans alluding to massive stone construction at what we assume to be Baalbek, known in the Bible as "Balaath" according to some scholars, and archeology(sic) that confirms the existence of pre-Roman monumental architecture under Roman foundations.

It is clear from thread title that one of your points is Baalbeek is older than Roman. I think that is established.

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Thanos5150
Given very similar massive megaliths are found at the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, also attributed to Solomon, it seems very likely they are reffering (sic) specifically to Baalbek. As far as the dating of the writing of the Book of Kings, scholars apparently agree at the very least that it dates to the 6th century BC, i.e. a few centuries before the site was occupied by the Romans and roughly 500yrs before the building for the Temple of Jupiter.

It is not absolutely clear that you are attempting to reconstruct the history of the 'who' and 'when' of the site.
It seems however that you are proposing :... pre bronze age ancient tell> Solomon > Romans

What T'Bird was attempting to suggest was who the heck was Solomon? Was he real and was he an Israelite king?

As you likely know the basis for the 6C attribution to book of Kings is that the very little if at all archaeologically attested Solomon and David were not written about (although perhaps oral tradition) until after Babylonian captivity. In the process incorporating other Arabic Assyrian Babylonian folklore myths like Gilgamesh to come up with the Noah story etc.

Moreover the biblical timeframes for said Kings (father and Son) circa 12C BCE predate the current place we/internationally recognise as Jerusalem Israel.

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Thanos5150
Of note here as well is that the neolithic site Tell Baalbek in which the complex is located dates as far back as c. 8,000BC. According to recent excavations (quoting Lohmann I presume, but again for clarity):

REFLECTIONS ON THE EARLY BRONZE AGE IV IN LEBANON

I do not wish to subscribe to academia. I suspect the reference to 8000BC is contained in the linked pdf.
Could you breiefly expound the basis of that dating herein. Please.


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Thanos5150
Personally, I do not believe Solomon built the foundations of either site, but rather built on top of sites known to be considered sacred long before.

I recently read an interesting book. I found from link in History GHMB section.
Egypt knew no Pharoahs nor Israelites - Azzrat Ezzai

This is a native Egyptians thesis on the origins of the Israelites predominately from an Arabic scholarly perspective. It is not in anyway "religious" nor did I find it biased. I make no endorsement other than it is extremely interesting if not compelling and recommend it to all interested in ancient history.

The kindle is available for $1 and apparently you can view it for free.

Lee, in view of your passionate interest and project in reconstructing the Mesopotamian connection to Egypt and Levant I reckon it would be invaluable to see the non Westernised perspective on the matter. It may have been someone called or know mythically as Solomon but who was he?

Cheers

Edit : To add: The title of the book is poor and misleading. It identifies the Arabic version of origin of Israelites and casts doubt over the use of the Hellenised (Ptolemy) version of Egyptian kings , referred to as Pharaoh after that timeframe.



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Case for an Older Baalbek 2123 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 06:04
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 335 MDaines 11-Apr-18 08:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 270 Origyptian 11-Apr-18 11:15
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 263 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 237 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 241 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:39
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 215 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:47
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 230 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 197 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:01
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 242 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 211 Audrey 12-Apr-18 17:49
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 199 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:36
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 213 Audrey 12-Apr-18 23:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 202 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 01:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 205 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 03:07
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 188 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 03:26
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 200 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:00
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 233 Audrey 13-Apr-18 03:16
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 192 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:18
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 266 Barbelo 11-Apr-18 11:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 228 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:02
Re: Case for no King Solomon 248 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:19
Re: Case for no King Solomon 221 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:51
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 246 Audrey 11-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 210 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 23:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 218 Eddie Larry 11-Apr-18 20:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 224 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:18
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Re: How Big Was The Forest? 177 Origyptian 20-Apr-18 21:45
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 196 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 00:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 199 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 03:56
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 206 Corpuscles 12-Apr-18 00:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 220 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 01:39
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 191 Thanos5150 14-Apr-18 01:32
Re: Baalbek.....Home of the God's 204 Thunderbird 13-Apr-18 15:14
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 185 Audrey 12-Apr-18 19:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 177 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 20:43
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 201 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 21:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 180 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 189 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:58
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 175 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 17:52
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 184 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:06
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 179 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 21:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 199 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 21:37
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 195 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 199 Origyptian 14-Apr-18 15:14
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 194 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 15:03
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 199 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 17:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 238 MDaines 12-Apr-18 17:55
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 196 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:18
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 187 Audrey 13-Apr-18 00:28
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 199 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 04:46
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 255 MDaines 13-Apr-18 08:20
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 270 MDaines 14-Apr-18 08:04
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 197 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:28
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Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 39 Thanos5150 14-Sep-19 15:17
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 50 Eddie Larry 14-Sep-19 15:50
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