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Hi Lee

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Thanos5150
So, we have at least one source that predates the Romans alluding to massive stone construction at what we assume to be Baalbek, known in the Bible as "Balaath" according to some scholars, and archeology(sic) that confirms the existence of pre-Roman monumental architecture under Roman foundations.

It is clear from thread title that one of your points is Baalbeek is older than Roman. I think that is established.

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Thanos5150
Given very similar massive megaliths are found at the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, also attributed to Solomon, it seems very likely they are reffering (sic) specifically to Baalbek. As far as the dating of the writing of the Book of Kings, scholars apparently agree at the very least that it dates to the 6th century BC, i.e. a few centuries before the site was occupied by the Romans and roughly 500yrs before the building for the Temple of Jupiter.

It is not absolutely clear that you are attempting to reconstruct the history of the 'who' and 'when' of the site.
It seems however that you are proposing :... pre bronze age ancient tell> Solomon > Romans

What T'Bird was attempting to suggest was who the heck was Solomon? Was he real and was he an Israelite king?

As you likely know the basis for the 6C attribution to book of Kings is that the very little if at all archaeologically attested Solomon and David were not written about (although perhaps oral tradition) until after Babylonian captivity. In the process incorporating other Arabic Assyrian Babylonian folklore myths like Gilgamesh to come up with the Noah story etc.

Moreover the biblical timeframes for said Kings (father and Son) circa 12C BCE predate the current place we/internationally recognise as Jerusalem Israel.

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Thanos5150
Of note here as well is that the neolithic site Tell Baalbek in which the complex is located dates as far back as c. 8,000BC. According to recent excavations (quoting Lohmann I presume, but again for clarity):

REFLECTIONS ON THE EARLY BRONZE AGE IV IN LEBANON

I do not wish to subscribe to academia. I suspect the reference to 8000BC is contained in the linked pdf.
Could you breiefly expound the basis of that dating herein. Please.


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Thanos5150
Personally, I do not believe Solomon built the foundations of either site, but rather built on top of sites known to be considered sacred long before.

I recently read an interesting book. I found from link in History GHMB section.
Egypt knew no Pharoahs nor Israelites - Azzrat Ezzai

This is a native Egyptians thesis on the origins of the Israelites predominately from an Arabic scholarly perspective. It is not in anyway "religious" nor did I find it biased. I make no endorsement other than it is extremely interesting if not compelling and recommend it to all interested in ancient history.

The kindle is available for $1 and apparently you can view it for free.

Lee, in view of your passionate interest and project in reconstructing the Mesopotamian connection to Egypt and Levant I reckon it would be invaluable to see the non Westernised perspective on the matter. It may have been someone called or know mythically as Solomon but who was he?

Cheers

Edit : To add: The title of the book is poor and misleading. It identifies the Arabic version of origin of Israelites and casts doubt over the use of the Hellenised (Ptolemy) version of Egyptian kings , referred to as Pharaoh after that timeframe.



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Case for an Older Baalbek 1808 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 06:04
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 295 MDaines 11-Apr-18 08:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 232 Origyptian 11-Apr-18 11:15
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 225 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 199 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 198 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:39
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 182 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:47
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 201 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 170 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:01
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 205 MDaines 12-Apr-18 13:25
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 182 Audrey 12-Apr-18 17:49
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 170 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:36
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 185 Audrey 12-Apr-18 23:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 168 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 01:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 186 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 03:07
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 164 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 03:26
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 177 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:00
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 209 Audrey 13-Apr-18 03:16
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 171 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 04:18
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 237 Barbelo 11-Apr-18 11:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 195 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:02
Re: Case for no King Solomon 215 Thunderbird 11-Apr-18 15:19
Re: Case for no King Solomon 198 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:51
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 225 Audrey 11-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 183 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 23:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 197 Eddie Larry 11-Apr-18 20:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 205 Thanos5150 11-Apr-18 22:18
How Big Was The Forest? 196 Barbelo 11-Apr-18 23:25
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 184 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 13:58
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 184 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 16:18
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Re: How Big Was The Forest? 178 Audrey 13-Apr-18 03:29
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 194 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 15:20
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 200 Audrey 14-Apr-18 01:57
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 226 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 04:12
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Re: Beer bottles Fly......Duck! 173 Thunderbird 14-Apr-18 22:26
Re: Beer bottles Fly......Duck! 167 Eddie Larry 14-Apr-18 22:37
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 159 Thanos5150 15-Apr-18 02:49
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 165 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 02:56
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 181 Thanos5150 15-Apr-18 03:36
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 161 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-18 04:21
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Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 183 Thanos5150 16-Apr-18 19:39
Re: Zagros, Shoulder of the Cosmic Matriarch 197 MDaines 17-Apr-18 07:40
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 169 Thanos5150 14-Apr-18 14:43
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 183 Mike D 20-Apr-18 13:15
Re: Did the Russians visit Baalbek? 159 Thunderbird 20-Apr-18 13:56
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 161 Thanos5150 20-Apr-18 16:00
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 172 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-18 16:09
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 162 Thanos5150 20-Apr-18 17:00
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 165 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-18 17:11
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 181 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 20:47
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 157 Origyptian 20-Apr-18 21:45
Re: How Big Was The Forest? 257 Barbelo 20-Apr-18 22:57
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 178 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 00:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 174 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 03:56
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 184 Corpuscles 12-Apr-18 00:34
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 202 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 01:39
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 189 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 03:52
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 165 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 04:36
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 184 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 14:12
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 181 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 14:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 145 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 17:01
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 196 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 00:47
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 135 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 03:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 194 Audrey 13-Apr-18 05:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 169 Thanos5150 14-Apr-18 01:32
Re: Baalbek.....Home of the God's 180 Thunderbird 13-Apr-18 15:14
Re: Baalbek.....Home of the God's 171 Audrey 14-Apr-18 02:30
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 164 Audrey 12-Apr-18 19:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 153 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 20:43
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 171 Audrey 12-Apr-18 16:56
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 174 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 17:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 176 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 21:42
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 158 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 167 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:58
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 158 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-18 17:52
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 164 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:06
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 155 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 21:08
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 180 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 21:37
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 159 Origyptian 13-Apr-18 22:06
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 176 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 22:41
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 174 Origyptian 14-Apr-18 15:14
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 159 Jon Ellison 14-Apr-18 22:20
Re: For God's sakes Lee!... 166 Thunderbird 16-Apr-18 00:15
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Re: Some Give A Shit 222 MDaines 12-Apr-18 07:48
Re: Some Give A Shit 188 Audrey 12-Apr-18 20:42
Re: Some Give A Shit 182 Barbelo 12-Apr-18 21:43
Re: Some Give A Shit 172 Audrey 12-Apr-18 23:21
Re: Some Give A Shit 162 Barbelo 13-Apr-18 00:44
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 171 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 15:03
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 176 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 17:11
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 219 MDaines 12-Apr-18 17:55
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 172 Origyptian 12-Apr-18 22:18
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 182 Thunderbird 12-Apr-18 22:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 167 Audrey 13-Apr-18 00:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 204 Thunderbird 13-Apr-18 03:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 174 Thanos5150 12-Apr-18 04:46
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 221 Race Jackson 12-Apr-18 22:54
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 228 MDaines 13-Apr-18 08:20
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 200 Audrey 14-Apr-18 00:40
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 246 MDaines 14-Apr-18 08:04
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 203 Manu 13-Apr-18 18:10
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 167 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 19:28
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 181 Manu 13-Apr-18 19:50
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 169 Thanos5150 13-Apr-18 20:53
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 182 Manu 13-Apr-18 21:31
Re: Case for an Older Baalbek 180 Barbelo 13-Apr-18 20:26


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