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The Ubaid of greater Mesopotamia had been building monumental mud brick stepped platforms as early as c. 5,000BC which it is said these structures were the inspiration for later ziggurats. The oldest ziggurats are believed to have been built c. 3000BC in Sialk, Elam (Iran):



And Uruk, Mesopotamia (Iraq):


And yet despite this long tradition it is often claimed ziggurats did not become common place until after the ziggurat of Ur c. 2100BC:


The Jiroft culture of Iran's cultural peak usually dated from 2500-2200BC though artifacts have been found at Jiroft sites dating back to 4000BC. In general the Jiroft appear to date back to c. 3000BC. We have spoken of the Jiroft culture here before as they are most well known for their prolific curious stone "handbags":



More photos HERE.

Depicted on some of these handbags and objects, however, are clearly stepped pyramid/ziggurats:




In the Jiroft areas, 2 massive mounds were identified as archeological sites, Konar Sandal A and Konar Sandal B, with A being a ziggurat and B a large fortress of some kind. RCD gave a date range of 2880 to 2200BC.


The Jiroft culture is a relatively recent discovery (2000) in which mass looting of the sites occurred before the authorities were tipped off and archaeological excavations began. Read HERE.

Dating of these sites has been contentious, but again by and large it appears the Jiroft culture dates back to c. 3000BC with a peak of 2500-2200BC. Jiroft pottery in context with some of the stone objects found in situ, however, has been found identical to other sites dated to c. 2800BC. It would seem the Iranians want this site to be a old as possible and Western scholars want it to be younger. My sense is the most reliable dating is c.2500BC.

More interesting reading: Jiroft and the Aratta Kingdom. The Jiroft as Arrata theory is also hotly debated, but personally it seems like a leading candidate at the very least.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 30-Mar-18 00:06 by Thanos5150.

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Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 1006 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 21:32
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 129 Thunderbird 29-Mar-18 23:48
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 98 MDaines 06-Apr-18 08:29
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 130 MDaines 02-Apr-18 15:11
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 85 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 16:37
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 90 sfbey 03-Apr-18 17:00
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 83 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 19:21
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 90 sfbey 03-Apr-18 19:58
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 83 Thanos5150 04-Apr-18 15:54
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 65 Warwick 04-Apr-18 16:10
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 77 sfbey 04-Apr-18 16:33
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 70 Thanos5150 04-Apr-18 16:59
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 57 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 03:54
Romer? 97 sfbey 03-Apr-18 20:09
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 94 MDaines 04-Apr-18 17:07
Re: Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III 79 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 18:39
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 83 Manu 05-Apr-18 04:37
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 78 MDaines 05-Apr-18 07:47
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 67 Manu 06-Apr-18 18:00
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 73 MDaines 07-Apr-18 08:20
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 69 Warwick 03-Apr-18 19:49
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 86 Manu 04-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 103 Thanos5150 04-Apr-18 20:14
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 79 Manu 04-Apr-18 21:44
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 62 Thanos5150 05-Apr-18 01:03
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 81 Manu 05-Apr-18 01:30
Narmer in Caanan 82 Eddie Larry 04-Apr-18 22:32
Re: Narmer in Caanan 67 Manu 05-Apr-18 01:19
Re: Narmer in Caanan 76 Thanos5150 05-Apr-18 01:24
Re: Narmer in Caanan 72 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 03:25
Kingship and the Gods? 79 sfbey 05-Apr-18 15:37
Re: Kingship and the Gods? 89 Thanos5150 05-Apr-18 16:02
Re: Kingship and the Gods? 75 Audrey 05-Apr-18 16:58
Re: Kingship and the Gods? 73 Warwick 05-Apr-18 17:01
Re: Kingship and the Gods? 103 sfbey 05-Apr-18 17:03
Re: Kingship and the Gods? 76 Merrell 06-Apr-18 14:25
Re: Kingship and the Gods? 64 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:33
Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 93 sfbey 06-Apr-18 15:33
Re: Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 93 Manu 06-Apr-18 17:32
Re: Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 74 Thanos5150 06-Apr-18 20:18
Re: Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 74 Manu 06-Apr-18 21:10
Re: Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 85 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 22:08
Re: Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 87 Manu 06-Apr-18 23:56
Re: Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 73 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 01:51
Re: Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 82 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 00:05
This has already been discussed at length-what is your point Barbelo? 94 Barbelo 08-Apr-18 04:20
Re: This has already been discussed at length-what is your point Barbelo? 59 Warwick 09-Apr-18 16:21
Re: This has already been discussed at length-what is your point Barbelo? 61 Barbelo 09-Apr-18 20:06
Re: This has already been discussed at length-what is your point Barbelo? 59 Audrey 09-Apr-18 23:47
Re: This has already been discussed at length-what is your point Barbelo? 73 Eddie Larry 09-Apr-18 21:16
Re: This has already been discussed at length-what is your point Barbelo? 67 Barbelo 10-Apr-18 11:32
Re: This has already been discussed at length-what is your point Barbelo? 80 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-18 18:14
Khufu’s Royal Palace[?] 73 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Apr-18 17:34
A Lack Of Evidence 53 Barbelo 12-Apr-18 10:55
The Early Dynastic Palace at Hierakonpolis 50 sfbey 12-Apr-18 14:06
Re: The Early Dynastic Palace at Hierakonpolis 64 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-18 14:26
Re: The Early Dynastic Palace at Hierakonpolis 117 Barbelo 12-Apr-18 20:46
Re: Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 83 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 23:46
Re: Arguments for an Upper Egyptian origin of the palace-façade 71 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 03:22
Rolled-up mats 77 MDaines 08-Apr-18 10:13
Re: Rolled-up mats 70 sfbey 08-Apr-18 16:50
Re: Rolled-up mats 82 MDaines 09-Apr-18 07:39
Re: Rolled-up mats 51 sfbey 09-Apr-18 14:45
Re: Rolled-up mats 49 MDaines 09-Apr-18 15:45
Re: Rolled-up mats 56 sfbey 09-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Rolled-up mats 66 MDaines 09-Apr-18 16:33
Re: Rolled-up mats 52 sfbey 09-Apr-18 19:17
Re: Rolled-up mats 74 atugablish 09-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Rolled-up mats 71 MDaines 10-Apr-18 08:32
Re: Rolled-up mats 67 cladking 10-Apr-18 13:40
Re: Rolled-up mats 70 atugablish 09-Apr-18 19:24
Re: Rolled-up mats 70 Audrey 10-Apr-18 03:08
Re: Rolled-up mats 76 MDaines 10-Apr-18 08:35
Re: Rolled-up mats 82 Thanos5150 09-Apr-18 16:25
Re: Rolled-up mats 67 MDaines 10-Apr-18 13:27
Re: Jiroft Culture Stepped Pyramid Ziggurats c. 2500BC, Iran 104 AndyBlackard 07-Apr-18 14:23


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