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Hi Robert,

You wrote: Well, that's brave of you to volunteer that the pyramids are so hard to measure that they're not going to support anyone's premises including your own, lol - and I do agree, everyone's measurements describe the GP as having unequal sides but the troubling thing is that no two may agree what the longest or shortest sides are.


By far the largest obstruction to understanding Ancient Egyptian Pyramids are assumptions. The most common is made by people never having been involved in building construction or the trades, is the assumption Petrie’s or anyone else's measurement are the intended values of the Ancient Egyptian builders. In assuming the measurements to be the intended leaves no room for the building errors. Those are the inevitable errors which always creep in to a building the scope and magnitude of G1. Coupled with a lack of a clear understanding, especially the purpose and fixed length of the cubit, along with the methods of the Ancient Egyptians. Makes assuming Petrie’s or any other surveys values to be those intended by the Ancient Egyptians a precipitous endeavor and only introduces additional errors. In the real world can the most tedious of surveys on a structure the age and condition of G1 ever be considered anything more than guidelines? No disrespect towards W. F. Petrie, or any of the other surveyors intended, since they did a superb job of surveying the Pyramids. This conundrum is exacerbated even further by the lack of a consistent or uniform length for the original Royal Egyptian Cubit. Then there is always the possibility the Ancient Egyptians could not measure as accurately as many assume they could. The first question that comes to mind is: Based on what benchmark measurements do we make the assumption?

Due to the limitations of their system of unit fractions only make rational numbers. If they were to calculate the hypotenuse of a square their solution for the √2 would be 1 + 1/3 + 1/33 + 1/36 + 1/44 Which equals G1 seked rise run of 14/11 x (10 + 1/9) the rise and run of the hip formed by the sides of the pyramid at the corners = 140/99 a difference of 0.000072148 from our current value for √2.
√3 = 1 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/42 = 97/56. Where the difference is 0.0000920958 between 97/56 and our current value for √3.
Being there is no proof they calculated the square root 2 or three the above is only speculation. It is possible when setting the square of a building they employed the 3 4 5, or 6, 8, 10, triangle at the corners, as we did in the field when laying out buildings.

You wrote: We can say the AEs had no idea what the modern foot was

You could say that, but I wouldn't bet any great sum of money on that assessment, it could be wrong. Remens and Royal Cubits are, mathematically when expressed in cubits palms or digits. 1 cubit 7 palms' 28 digits for the cubit and 5 palms, 20 digits where the Remen is 1/2 + 1/7 + 1/14 of one cubit, so Remen is 5/7 cubit the Ancient Egyptian foot is 4 palms, 16 digits equal to 4/7 of a cubit.

You wrote: That pyramidion height and 10 Royal Cubit ratio is locked in by that.

Now I could be wrong, but I believe the current width of the platform at the top of the G1 is somewhere in the neighborhood 44 feet or 528 inches. So how many courses must be replaced to achieve that 10 cubit dimension?

Jacob

It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment evidence, it's wrong.~ Richard P. Feynman
Change of experiment to evidence mine

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Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 3068 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 324 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 323 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 269 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 276 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 237 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 264 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 326 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
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Re: cubit of 20.25? 285 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 309 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 435 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 318 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 316 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 341 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
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Re: Oh...what a shame... 263 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
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Re: Oh...what a shame... 303 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 289 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 264 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 302 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 289 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 238 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 296 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
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Re: extensions of numbers 237 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
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the primitive calculator 232 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
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Re: the primitive calculator 213 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 242 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 259 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 193 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 248 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
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Re: well put 232 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 283 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 221 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 287 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 310 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 296 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 247 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 240 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 291 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 240 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 255 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 238 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 225 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 221 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 259 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 214 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 213 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 260 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 249 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 212 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
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Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 232 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 257 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
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Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 239 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
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