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Sirfiroth Wrote:
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>
> Surveys of this sort only reflect the ‘as
> built’ dimensions, not intended dimensions. If
> you disagree, please provide what irrefutable
> evidence that exist which would lead anyone to
> assume any surveyed dimension of G1 are the exact
> intended dimensions of the Ancient Egyptian
> builders? That any survey does is an assumption
> with no irrefutable evidence addressing this
> conundrum. Therefore the correct answer can only
> be 'None of them'!

i use Legon's numbers in my 3D model of Giza
which has the automatic and enviable etc. feature
of being ideal to measure the distances between peaks
and other exclusive traits i have yet to get fully around to
(i had grand designs on measuring and comparing the spheres,
but kept tripping over the so far endless distractions)

this image: (http://dudeman.net/astra/giza/6b.gif)
shows there is a point equidistant from all 3 pyramids
this page: (http://dudeman.net/astra/giza/lines-proj.html)
attempts to explain, without advanced math, how odd that is
...that the distance should be exactly 5000 cubits, however
seems somehow somewhat conspicuous to the casual observer?
but, this is where mathematicians are even more impressed
and thus why skeptics must play dumb at points like this
...the odds of that are beyond accidental, not possibly unintentional
point to anything else easily deemed obviously officially intentional

perhaps you're familiar with the expression
"even a broken watch is right twice a day"
but if the watch is always right, maybe it's not broken
that is the essence of a mathematical Proof by Induction
basically, if something has proven itself a reliable predictor
we are charged by Science to give it the benefit of the doubt
- or that w/c/should be a detail we didn't follow up on properly
which then we would all feel very silly at the end of the movie ;o)

"Repeated Confirmed Correlation: is what is needed, and what we have
...at risk of feeling silly in a minute, i will attempt to explain...

ok so, i am currently in a room which happens to be exactly 10 x 10
if you have a room in a house that is exactly 10 x 10, meters or feet
and other measurements of other dimensions and angles etc. within
confirm a tendency for integer units as obvious common denominators
that contribute to an assumption, so common as to evade description
all minor details that point to a now even widely accepted conclusion
- which leaves the skeptic in an uncomfortable and unenviable position:
just because the details are small enough to be dismiss-able on their own
that they are of a set of observations contributes to the merit of that set
so, the commonality that ties them together is what has gained plausibility
- attacking the details misses the whole point, which may be the whole point

we have a conundrum, positioned somewhere between:
"just because the pi isn't all shtick doesn't mean its edible"
and "ok, we've found a few trees, but where's the confounded forest?"
well, let's point our tricorder around and see if more trees appear?
it's the age old argument of... which method makes a better argument"
specific verified measurements, or some text on papyrus or in clay ???

is the road trip's paper map the end-all/be-all of that kinda knowledge?
or... if a new road or intersection appears before you, is the map wrong?

it's like we've hit the jackpot at a slot machine (whee, tokens on the floor)
and the guy next to us is trying to tell us that we haven't won anything really
but we're too busy stacking the tokens spewing out of this thing to pay any mind
still, there's this nagging sensation of these tokens not being tender anywhere...

but the thingy is ...we would have noticed... so, there is no prevalence of
surprising interesting geometric interesting significant number coincidences
in enough random places to dismiss these findings enough to just ignore them
but the burden of proof is not on us, paper only covers rock
so, if you have a scroll that says this rock was carved upon
we have no reason to not take its word for that
but scissors cuts paper
if we have an empirical repeatable measurement
which contradicts something written somewhere
...then the credibility of scrolls is reduced
...which may be what's worth so much trouble

so that's what this is all about
believing what's written
instead of our own eyes

- but still, rock breaks scissors -
if the pyramids were aligned to stars
that turns out never remotely existed
yes, that would indeed be a thing
and thus, cause to drop OCT, say
...but it's not ;o)




>
> So Jim, without knowing the intent of the Ancient
> Egyptians you, like everyone else, are just
> guessing and guessing is not science. Fact: No one
> has yet provided any evidence, let alone
> irrefutable evidence. supporting the Ancient
> Egyptians use of pi, phi, √2, √3 or √5.
>

the Ancient Greeks were convinced
that all numbers must be rational
that is, could be possibly expressed as a ratio
thus proving the gods were not random or insane
and they invented math, obviously
so there were strong feelings etc.

it is not known today, what happened to the guy
who proved that √2 must be an irrational number
but no story of his demise has him ending well
- and it turns out nowadays we know he was right
and there are other irrational numbers as well
in fact irrational numbers outnumber rationals

that there is no mention of pi in any scroll
may be a clue that the scribes n scrollers
were indeed not the designers n architects

but you simply can't be a circle expert and not know pi
just as you simply ...and using Occam's Razor, now...
- can't be a square expert and not know √2
- can't be a triangle expert and not know √3
- can't be a rectangle expert and not know √5

now, you can cook without being able to eat, but why?
are you a robot chef? some other more plausible accident?
...and just as it is possible to compose an opera without any music theory
but the odds of that make any empirical examples so far staggeringly rare
see, arguments like that, so far, their only purpose seems to be
to just diminish the apparent significance of, well, math itself
and would ironically be an easily worthy argument
if the world didn't have so much of it... oh...

neither are pi and phi modern constructs
they're older than the stars themselves
...hiding your head in the sand, as it were
only sells that shtick to fellow ostriches?

- significant numbers are traipsed upon here
and danced around with obvious choreography
thus, your argument's very nature just... qualifies itself
for automatic compulsory investigation into gaslighting...

even so, already
for your penance
you must watch a Musical on mute
and that's from me, a fellow peer
i can't wait to see
what professor says

=o)

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Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 2966 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 441 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 400 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 327 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 378 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 295 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 300 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 296 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 293 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 237 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 251 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 192 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 237 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 280 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
Re: cubit of 20.25? 260 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:15
Re: cubit of 20.25? 253 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 254 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 363 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 287 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 289 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 288 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 304 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 284 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 239 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 292 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 269 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 264 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 241 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 279 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 264 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 213 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 271 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 184 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 209 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
Re: extensions of numbers 211 drew 24-Jun-18 20:53
Re: extensions of numbers 213 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 174 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 180 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 204 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 236 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 188 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 205 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 229 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 161 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 195 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 216 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 209 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
Re: the primitive calculator 191 drew 27-Jun-18 01:56
Re: well put 188 cloister 24-Jun-18 09:43
Re: well put 215 Manu 24-Jun-18 12:59
Re: well put 206 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 241 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 179 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 252 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 278 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 240 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 198 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 206 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 262 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 214 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 230 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 193 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 202 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 198 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 197 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 182 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 187 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 235 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 210 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 187 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 186 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 198 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 188 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 198 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 188 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 177 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 199 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 208 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 212 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 204 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 212 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 227 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 240 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 189 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 214 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 210 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 213 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 243 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 191 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 237 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 195 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 223 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
Tripping over museum rods 216 drew 28-Jun-18 23:52
Museum rods 206 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 225 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 220 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 277 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 223 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 172 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 08:17
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 184 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 277 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 17:12
The math or the pyramid? 237 drew 27-Jun-18 20:46
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 163 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 171 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 185 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 204 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 248 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 293 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 23:57
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 211 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 194 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 197 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 209 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 165 Sirfiroth 24-Jul-18 13:11
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 250 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 239 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 267 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 230 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 328 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 219 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 183 DavidK 07-Aug-18 05:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 213 spaceyhippie 08-Aug-18 09:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 208 DavidK 08-Aug-18 09:39
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 235 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 02:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 256 DavidK 09-Aug-18 08:00
ROTFLMAO! 170 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
Re: ROTFLMAO! 167 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:12
Re: ROTFLMAO! 161 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
Re: ROTFLMAO! 162 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:49
Re: ROTFLMAO! 168 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 15:03
Re: ROTFLMAO! 169 DavidK 09-Aug-18 21:39
Re: ROTFLMAO! 196 Sirfiroth 10-Aug-18 02:06
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 210 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 20:40
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 235 DavidK 10-Aug-18 07:59
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 275 Steve Clayton 12-Aug-18 18:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 76 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 64 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 03:46
Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 69 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 04:59
Re: Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 52 molder 28-Dec-19 10:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 50 DavidK 28-Dec-19 10:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 62 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 74 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 16:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 62 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 21:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 57 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 62 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 02:17
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 53 molder 29-Dec-19 04:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 57 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 12:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 48 molder 29-Dec-19 22:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 50 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 14:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 49 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 15:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 49 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 03:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 54 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-19 04:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 61 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 15:04
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 62 spaceyhippie 31-Dec-19 23:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 62 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:29
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 57 DavidK 29-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 62 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 14:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 50 spaceyhippie 01-Jan-20 23:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 72 Sirfiroth 02-Jan-20 01:33
Pi vs Pudding 67 thinkitover 02-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Pi vs Pudding 49 spaceyhippie 03-Jan-20 00:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 55 seasmith 03-Jan-20 00:24
Re: Pi vs Pudding 52 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 23:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 77 seasmith 08-Jan-20 02:54
Re: Pi vs Pudding 59 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Pi vs Pudding 51 molder 03-Jan-20 06:56
Re: Pi vs Pudding 60 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 18:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 52 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:02
LOL, now that was hilarious ! 53 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-20 05:51
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 68 hendrik dirker 04-Jan-20 09:32
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 42 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:37
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 50 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:39
Re: Pi vs Pudding 69 molder 04-Jan-20 11:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 62 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi vs Pudding 43 molder 06-Jan-20 02:55
Re: Pi vs Pudding 46 magisterchessmutt 06-Jan-20 02:58
Re: Pi vs Pudding 44 molder 06-Jan-20 05:26
Re: Pi vs Pudding 48 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 01:32
Re: Pi vs Pudding 41 DavidK 07-Jan-20 02:02
Re: Pi vs Pudding 60 thinkitover 06-Jan-20 06:13
Re: Pi vs Pudding 65 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 02:18
Re: Pi vs Pudding 40 DavidK 07-Jan-20 14:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 51 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 15:16
Re: Pi vs Pudding 57 DavidK 07-Jan-20 19:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 43 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 20:08
Re: Pi vs Pudding 50 DavidK 07-Jan-20 20:11
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 63 engbren 28-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 71 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:55
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 59 engbren 29-Dec-19 01:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 54 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 16:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 56 engbren 30-Dec-19 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 78 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 23:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 73 engbren 31-Dec-19 11:31
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