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Sirfiroth Wrote:
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>
> Surveys of this sort only reflect the ‘as
> built’ dimensions, not intended dimensions. If
> you disagree, please provide what irrefutable
> evidence that exist which would lead anyone to
> assume any surveyed dimension of G1 are the exact
> intended dimensions of the Ancient Egyptian
> builders? That any survey does is an assumption
> with no irrefutable evidence addressing this
> conundrum. Therefore the correct answer can only
> be 'None of them'!

i use Legon's numbers in my 3D model of Giza
which has the automatic and enviable etc. feature
of being ideal to measure the distances between peaks
and other exclusive traits i have yet to get fully around to
(i had grand designs on measuring and comparing the spheres,
but kept tripping over the so far endless distractions)

this image: (http://dudeman.net/astra/giza/6b.gif)
shows there is a point equidistant from all 3 pyramids
this page: (http://dudeman.net/astra/giza/lines-proj.html)
attempts to explain, without advanced math, how odd that is
...that the distance should be exactly 5000 cubits, however
seems somehow somewhat conspicuous to the casual observer?
but, this is where mathematicians are even more impressed
and thus why skeptics must play dumb at points like this
...the odds of that are beyond accidental, not possibly unintentional
point to anything else easily deemed obviously officially intentional

perhaps you're familiar with the expression
"even a broken watch is right twice a day"
but if the watch is always right, maybe it's not broken
that is the essence of a mathematical Proof by Induction
basically, if something has proven itself a reliable predictor
we are charged by Science to give it the benefit of the doubt
- or that w/c/should be a detail we didn't follow up on properly
which then we would all feel very silly at the end of the movie ;o)

"Repeated Confirmed Correlation: is what is needed, and what we have
...at risk of feeling silly in a minute, i will attempt to explain...

ok so, i am currently in a room which happens to be exactly 10 x 10
if you have a room in a house that is exactly 10 x 10, meters or feet
and other measurements of other dimensions and angles etc. within
confirm a tendency for integer units as obvious common denominators
that contribute to an assumption, so common as to evade description
all minor details that point to a now even widely accepted conclusion
- which leaves the skeptic in an uncomfortable and unenviable position:
just because the details are small enough to be dismiss-able on their own
that they are of a set of observations contributes to the merit of that set
so, the commonality that ties them together is what has gained plausibility
- attacking the details misses the whole point, which may be the whole point

we have a conundrum, positioned somewhere between:
"just because the pi isn't all shtick doesn't mean its edible"
and "ok, we've found a few trees, but where's the confounded forest?"
well, let's point our tricorder around and see if more trees appear?
it's the age old argument of... which method makes a better argument"
specific verified measurements, or some text on papyrus or in clay ???

is the road trip's paper map the end-all/be-all of that kinda knowledge?
or... if a new road or intersection appears before you, is the map wrong?

it's like we've hit the jackpot at a slot machine (whee, tokens on the floor)
and the guy next to us is trying to tell us that we haven't won anything really
but we're too busy stacking the tokens spewing out of this thing to pay any mind
still, there's this nagging sensation of these tokens not being tender anywhere...

but the thingy is ...we would have noticed... so, there is no prevalence of
surprising interesting geometric interesting significant number coincidences
in enough random places to dismiss these findings enough to just ignore them
but the burden of proof is not on us, paper only covers rock
so, if you have a scroll that says this rock was carved upon
we have no reason to not take its word for that
but scissors cuts paper
if we have an empirical repeatable measurement
which contradicts something written somewhere
...then the credibility of scrolls is reduced
...which may be what's worth so much trouble

so that's what this is all about
believing what's written
instead of our own eyes

- but still, rock breaks scissors -
if the pyramids were aligned to stars
that turns out never remotely existed
yes, that would indeed be a thing
and thus, cause to drop OCT, say
...but it's not ;o)




>
> So Jim, without knowing the intent of the Ancient
> Egyptians you, like everyone else, are just
> guessing and guessing is not science. Fact: No one
> has yet provided any evidence, let alone
> irrefutable evidence. supporting the Ancient
> Egyptians use of pi, phi, √2, √3 or √5.
>

the Ancient Greeks were convinced
that all numbers must be rational
that is, could be possibly expressed as a ratio
thus proving the gods were not random or insane
and they invented math, obviously
so there were strong feelings etc.

it is not known today, what happened to the guy
who proved that √2 must be an irrational number
but no story of his demise has him ending well
- and it turns out nowadays we know he was right
and there are other irrational numbers as well
in fact irrational numbers outnumber rationals

that there is no mention of pi in any scroll
may be a clue that the scribes n scrollers
were indeed not the designers n architects

but you simply can't be a circle expert and not know pi
just as you simply ...and using Occam's Razor, now...
- can't be a square expert and not know √2
- can't be a triangle expert and not know √3
- can't be a rectangle expert and not know √5

now, you can cook without being able to eat, but why?
are you a robot chef? some other more plausible accident?
...and just as it is possible to compose an opera without any music theory
but the odds of that make any empirical examples so far staggeringly rare
see, arguments like that, so far, their only purpose seems to be
to just diminish the apparent significance of, well, math itself
and would ironically be an easily worthy argument
if the world didn't have so much of it... oh...

neither are pi and phi modern constructs
they're older than the stars themselves
...hiding your head in the sand, as it were
only sells that shtick to fellow ostriches?

- significant numbers are traipsed upon here
and danced around with obvious choreography
thus, your argument's very nature just... qualifies itself
for automatic compulsory investigation into gaslighting...

even so, already
for your penance
you must watch a Musical on mute
and that's from me, a fellow peer
i can't wait to see
what professor says

=o)

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Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 3195 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 549 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 512 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 415 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 476 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 401 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 399 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 400 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 399 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 337 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 340 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 306 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 341 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 398 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
Re: cubit of 20.25? 356 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:15
Re: cubit of 20.25? 357 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 376 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 518 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 388 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 389 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 409 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 411 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 396 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 334 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 412 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 490 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 361 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 333 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 376 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 354 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 308 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 365 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 319 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 310 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
Re: extensions of numbers 313 drew 24-Jun-18 20:53
Re: extensions of numbers 313 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 290 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 297 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 295 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 350 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 282 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 352 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 350 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 251 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 324 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 314 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 310 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
Re: the primitive calculator 284 drew 27-Jun-18 01:56
Re: well put 273 cloister 24-Jun-18 09:43
Re: well put 313 Manu 24-Jun-18 12:59
Re: well put 299 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 358 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 288 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 353 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 383 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 364 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 322 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 321 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 359 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 298 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 325 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 328 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 285 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 288 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 334 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 286 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 275 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 330 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 326 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 286 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 286 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 293 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 321 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 332 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 281 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 285 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 286 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 297 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 323 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 297 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 310 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 354 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 327 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 297 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 318 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 314 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 310 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 361 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 306 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 337 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 325 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 340 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
Tripping over museum rods 338 drew 28-Jun-18 23:52
Museum rods 303 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 327 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 318 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 388 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 324 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 271 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 08:17
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 265 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 402 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 17:12
The math or the pyramid? 340 drew 27-Jun-18 20:46
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 258 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 281 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 274 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 381 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 10:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 297 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 344 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 467 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 23:57
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 325 DavidK 20-Jul-18 08:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 376 spaceyhippie 20-Jul-18 21:58
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 259 DavidK 22-Jul-18 09:41
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 298 DavidK 23-Jul-18 08:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 320 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 292 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 447 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 310 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 259 Sirfiroth 24-Jul-18 13:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 249 DavidK 27-Jul-18 06:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 287 Sirfiroth 27-Jul-18 15:45
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 348 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 356 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 408 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 319 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 439 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 320 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 294 DavidK 07-Aug-18 05:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 298 spaceyhippie 08-Aug-18 09:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 305 DavidK 08-Aug-18 09:39
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 334 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 02:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 362 DavidK 09-Aug-18 08:00
ROTFLMAO! 255 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
Re: ROTFLMAO! 260 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:12
Re: ROTFLMAO! 313 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
Re: ROTFLMAO! 248 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:49
Re: ROTFLMAO! 254 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 15:03
Re: ROTFLMAO! 270 DavidK 09-Aug-18 21:39
Re: ROTFLMAO! 294 Sirfiroth 10-Aug-18 02:06
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 309 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 20:40
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 364 DavidK 10-Aug-18 07:59
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 371 Steve Clayton 12-Aug-18 18:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 154 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 141 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 03:46
Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 155 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 04:59
Re: Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 130 molder 28-Dec-19 10:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 128 DavidK 28-Dec-19 10:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 138 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 151 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 16:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 146 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 21:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 144 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 135 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 02:17
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 139 molder 29-Dec-19 04:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 132 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 12:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 131 molder 29-Dec-19 22:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 124 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 14:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 171 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 15:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 130 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 03:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 175 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-19 04:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 148 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 15:04
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 155 spaceyhippie 31-Dec-19 23:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 149 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:29
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 136 DavidK 29-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 138 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 14:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 139 spaceyhippie 01-Jan-20 23:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 152 Sirfiroth 02-Jan-20 01:33
Pi vs Pudding 143 thinkitover 02-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Pi vs Pudding 134 spaceyhippie 03-Jan-20 00:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 149 seasmith 03-Jan-20 00:24
Re: Pi vs Pudding 133 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 23:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 176 seasmith 08-Jan-20 02:54
Re: Pi vs Pudding 142 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Pi vs Pudding 142 molder 03-Jan-20 06:56
Re: Pi vs Pudding 144 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 18:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 135 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:02
LOL, now that was hilarious ! 135 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-20 05:51
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 176 hendrik dirker 04-Jan-20 09:32
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 124 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:37
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 133 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:39
Re: Pi vs Pudding 153 molder 04-Jan-20 11:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 144 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi vs Pudding 135 molder 06-Jan-20 02:55
Re: Pi vs Pudding 165 magisterchessmutt 06-Jan-20 02:58
Re: Pi vs Pudding 128 molder 06-Jan-20 05:26
Re: Pi vs Pudding 133 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 01:32
Re: Pi vs Pudding 121 DavidK 07-Jan-20 02:02
Re: Pi vs Pudding 136 thinkitover 06-Jan-20 06:13
Re: Pi vs Pudding 151 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 02:18
Re: Pi vs Pudding 119 DavidK 07-Jan-20 14:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 132 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 15:16
Re: Pi vs Pudding 131 DavidK 07-Jan-20 19:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 126 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 20:08
Re: Pi vs Pudding 125 DavidK 07-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 153 DavidK 28-Dec-19 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 148 engbren 28-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 148 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:55
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 136 engbren 29-Dec-19 01:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 136 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 16:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 138 engbren 30-Dec-19 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 194 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 23:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 160 engbren 31-Dec-19 11:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 141 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:42


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