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Sirfiroth Wrote:
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>
> Surveys of this sort only reflect the ‘as
> built’ dimensions, not intended dimensions. If
> you disagree, please provide what irrefutable
> evidence that exist which would lead anyone to
> assume any surveyed dimension of G1 are the exact
> intended dimensions of the Ancient Egyptian
> builders? That any survey does is an assumption
> with no irrefutable evidence addressing this
> conundrum. Therefore the correct answer can only
> be 'None of them'!

i use Legon's numbers in my 3D model of Giza
which has the automatic and enviable etc. feature
of being ideal to measure the distances between peaks
and other exclusive traits i have yet to get fully around to
(i had grand designs on measuring and comparing the spheres,
but kept tripping over the so far endless distractions)

this image: (http://dudeman.net/astra/giza/6b.gif)
shows there is a point equidistant from all 3 pyramids
this page: (http://dudeman.net/astra/giza/lines-proj.html)
attempts to explain, without advanced math, how odd that is
...that the distance should be exactly 5000 cubits, however
seems somehow somewhat conspicuous to the casual observer?
but, this is where mathematicians are even more impressed
and thus why skeptics must play dumb at points like this
...the odds of that are beyond accidental, not possibly unintentional
point to anything else easily deemed obviously officially intentional

perhaps you're familiar with the expression
"even a broken watch is right twice a day"
but if the watch is always right, maybe it's not broken
that is the essence of a mathematical Proof by Induction
basically, if something has proven itself a reliable predictor
we are charged by Science to give it the benefit of the doubt
- or that w/c/should be a detail we didn't follow up on properly
which then we would all feel very silly at the end of the movie ;o)

"Repeated Confirmed Correlation: is what is needed, and what we have
...at risk of feeling silly in a minute, i will attempt to explain...

ok so, i am currently in a room which happens to be exactly 10 x 10
if you have a room in a house that is exactly 10 x 10, meters or feet
and other measurements of other dimensions and angles etc. within
confirm a tendency for integer units as obvious common denominators
that contribute to an assumption, so common as to evade description
all minor details that point to a now even widely accepted conclusion
- which leaves the skeptic in an uncomfortable and unenviable position:
just because the details are small enough to be dismiss-able on their own
that they are of a set of observations contributes to the merit of that set
so, the commonality that ties them together is what has gained plausibility
- attacking the details misses the whole point, which may be the whole point

we have a conundrum, positioned somewhere between:
"just because the pi isn't all shtick doesn't mean its edible"
and "ok, we've found a few trees, but where's the confounded forest?"
well, let's point our tricorder around and see if more trees appear?
it's the age old argument of... which method makes a better argument"
specific verified measurements, or some text on papyrus or in clay ???

is the road trip's paper map the end-all/be-all of that kinda knowledge?
or... if a new road or intersection appears before you, is the map wrong?

it's like we've hit the jackpot at a slot machine (whee, tokens on the floor)
and the guy next to us is trying to tell us that we haven't won anything really
but we're too busy stacking the tokens spewing out of this thing to pay any mind
still, there's this nagging sensation of these tokens not being tender anywhere...

but the thingy is ...we would have noticed... so, there is no prevalence of
surprising interesting geometric interesting significant number coincidences
in enough random places to dismiss these findings enough to just ignore them
but the burden of proof is not on us, paper only covers rock
so, if you have a scroll that says this rock was carved upon
we have no reason to not take its word for that
but scissors cuts paper
if we have an empirical repeatable measurement
which contradicts something written somewhere
...then the credibility of scrolls is reduced
...which may be what's worth so much trouble

so that's what this is all about
believing what's written
instead of our own eyes

- but still, rock breaks scissors -
if the pyramids were aligned to stars
that turns out never remotely existed
yes, that would indeed be a thing
and thus, cause to drop OCT, say
...but it's not ;o)




>
> So Jim, without knowing the intent of the Ancient
> Egyptians you, like everyone else, are just
> guessing and guessing is not science. Fact: No one
> has yet provided any evidence, let alone
> irrefutable evidence. supporting the Ancient
> Egyptians use of pi, phi, √2, √3 or √5.
>

the Ancient Greeks were convinced
that all numbers must be rational
that is, could be possibly expressed as a ratio
thus proving the gods were not random or insane
and they invented math, obviously
so there were strong feelings etc.

it is not known today, what happened to the guy
who proved that √2 must be an irrational number
but no story of his demise has him ending well
- and it turns out nowadays we know he was right
and there are other irrational numbers as well
in fact irrational numbers outnumber rationals

that there is no mention of pi in any scroll
may be a clue that the scribes n scrollers
were indeed not the designers n architects

but you simply can't be a circle expert and not know pi
just as you simply ...and using Occam's Razor, now...
- can't be a square expert and not know √2
- can't be a triangle expert and not know √3
- can't be a rectangle expert and not know √5

now, you can cook without being able to eat, but why?
are you a robot chef? some other more plausible accident?
...and just as it is possible to compose an opera without any music theory
but the odds of that make any empirical examples so far staggeringly rare
see, arguments like that, so far, their only purpose seems to be
to just diminish the apparent significance of, well, math itself
and would ironically be an easily worthy argument
if the world didn't have so much of it... oh...

neither are pi and phi modern constructs
they're older than the stars themselves
...hiding your head in the sand, as it were
only sells that shtick to fellow ostriches?

- significant numbers are traipsed upon here
and danced around with obvious choreography
thus, your argument's very nature just... qualifies itself
for automatic compulsory investigation into gaslighting...

even so, already
for your penance
you must watch a Musical on mute
and that's from me, a fellow peer
i can't wait to see
what professor says

=o)

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Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 3067 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 480 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 443 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 348 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 406 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 323 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 332 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 323 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 322 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 268 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 275 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 236 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 263 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 323 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
Re: cubit of 20.25? 285 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:15
Re: cubit of 20.25? 284 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 308 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 434 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 317 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 313 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 339 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 332 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 320 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 262 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 326 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 301 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 287 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 263 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 301 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 287 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 237 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 295 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 239 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 236 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
Re: extensions of numbers 245 drew 24-Jun-18 20:53
Re: extensions of numbers 245 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 227 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 230 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 231 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 276 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 212 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 241 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 258 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 191 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 247 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 246 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 234 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
Re: the primitive calculator 215 drew 27-Jun-18 01:56
Re: well put 210 cloister 24-Jun-18 09:43
Re: well put 238 Manu 24-Jun-18 12:59
Re: well put 231 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 281 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 220 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 286 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 309 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 295 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 246 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 238 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 290 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 238 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 254 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 237 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 223 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 220 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 258 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 213 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 212 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 259 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 247 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 211 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 206 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 220 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 230 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 255 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 216 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 206 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 221 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 231 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 256 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 233 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 238 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 263 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 261 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 218 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 253 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 240 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 234 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 296 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 232 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 264 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 250 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 266 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
Tripping over museum rods 255 drew 28-Jun-18 23:52
Museum rods 230 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 253 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 243 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 307 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 254 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 199 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 08:17
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 204 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 313 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 17:12
The math or the pyramid? 269 drew 27-Jun-18 20:46
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 188 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 217 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 207 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 302 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 10:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 234 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 276 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 384 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 23:57
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 240 DavidK 20-Jul-18 08:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 303 spaceyhippie 20-Jul-18 21:58
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 196 DavidK 22-Jul-18 09:41
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 233 DavidK 23-Jul-18 08:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 248 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 225 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 250 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 235 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 194 Sirfiroth 24-Jul-18 13:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 177 DavidK 27-Jul-18 06:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 218 Sirfiroth 27-Jul-18 15:45
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 284 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 279 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 324 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 260 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 362 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 249 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 229 DavidK 07-Aug-18 05:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 236 spaceyhippie 08-Aug-18 09:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 236 DavidK 08-Aug-18 09:39
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 276 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 02:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 292 DavidK 09-Aug-18 08:00
ROTFLMAO! 195 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
Re: ROTFLMAO! 191 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:12
Re: ROTFLMAO! 214 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
Re: ROTFLMAO! 184 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:49
Re: ROTFLMAO! 189 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 15:03
Re: ROTFLMAO! 211 DavidK 09-Aug-18 21:39
Re: ROTFLMAO! 221 Sirfiroth 10-Aug-18 02:06
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 236 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 20:40
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 297 DavidK 10-Aug-18 07:59
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 304 Steve Clayton 12-Aug-18 18:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 96 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 87 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 03:46
Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 96 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 04:59
Re: Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 75 molder 28-Dec-19 10:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 71 DavidK 28-Dec-19 10:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 84 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 96 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 16:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 86 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 21:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 84 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 02:17
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 74 molder 29-Dec-19 04:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 12:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 70 molder 29-Dec-19 22:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 72 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 14:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 103 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 15:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 70 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 03:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 104 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-19 04:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 83 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 15:04
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 84 spaceyhippie 31-Dec-19 23:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 86 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:29
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 80 DavidK 29-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 84 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 14:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 71 spaceyhippie 01-Jan-20 23:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 93 Sirfiroth 02-Jan-20 01:33
Pi vs Pudding 91 thinkitover 02-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Pi vs Pudding 71 spaceyhippie 03-Jan-20 00:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 78 seasmith 03-Jan-20 00:24
Re: Pi vs Pudding 75 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 23:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 110 seasmith 08-Jan-20 02:54
Re: Pi vs Pudding 80 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Pi vs Pudding 76 molder 03-Jan-20 06:56
Re: Pi vs Pudding 82 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 18:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 72 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:02
LOL, now that was hilarious ! 73 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-20 05:51
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 92 hendrik dirker 04-Jan-20 09:32
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 65 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:37
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 73 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:39
Re: Pi vs Pudding 94 molder 04-Jan-20 11:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 83 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi vs Pudding 67 molder 06-Jan-20 02:55
Re: Pi vs Pudding 96 magisterchessmutt 06-Jan-20 02:58
Re: Pi vs Pudding 68 molder 06-Jan-20 05:26
Re: Pi vs Pudding 74 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 01:32
Re: Pi vs Pudding 63 DavidK 07-Jan-20 02:02
Re: Pi vs Pudding 83 thinkitover 06-Jan-20 06:13
Re: Pi vs Pudding 87 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 02:18
Re: Pi vs Pudding 64 DavidK 07-Jan-20 14:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 74 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 15:16
Re: Pi vs Pudding 77 DavidK 07-Jan-20 19:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 64 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 20:08
Re: Pi vs Pudding 71 DavidK 07-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 93 DavidK 28-Dec-19 11:21
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 93 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:55
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 80 engbren 29-Dec-19 01:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 79 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 16:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 engbren 30-Dec-19 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 128 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 23:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 98 engbren 31-Dec-19 11:31
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