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Hi Jacob,

There’s a scene in the Westcar Papyrus that I’ve written about in my own thread and paper here: [grahamhancock.com]

I see a clear expression of Pi in the story which has 22 people on a boat (Pharoah Sneferu, Chief Lector Priest Djadjaemankh, 20 female rowers) with a fish pendant fallen over the side into the lake. The variety of fish being connected to Sets division of Osiris into fourteen pieces. The motion of the ship is circular.

Quoting my paper:

We are told she has become still and her entire side of rowers have stopped rowing. However, there is no information about the other side of rowers having stopped. Therefore, we must assume that they have continued to row and the consequence of rowing on one side only is that the boat will not be travelling in a straight line but will be constantly turning. As such, I propose that the boat is travelling in a circular motion on the lake and this motion of the boat on the lake is representative of the stars and constellations travelling at night as observed from sunset to sunrise.


The fish pendant is described in the story as of new turquoise. My initial research led me to believe that the colour turquoise is typically associated by the ancient Egyptians with a Talapia fish. Talapia being an important enough species of fish to the Ancient Egyptians to have a specific hieroglyph which is denoted as K1 in Gardiner’s list. Reviewing Nederhof’s conversion of the Westcar Papyrus original hieratic into equivalent heiroglyphs, I was curious to find that no instance of the fish in fish pendant uses the K1 glyph. Instead, the glyph is K5.
Reviewing Lull and Belmonte, the K5 glyph makes an appearance the Zodiac of Dendera in figures 6.16 and 6.17. On p183, Lull and Belmonte identify one of the constellations containing this fish as Pisces and the other as Piscis Austrinus under the water pouring Hapi (Aquarius).
The K5 glyph is representative of a variety of elephant fish worshipped in a town known as Oxyrhynchus. The Oxyrunchus fish has a connection to the Egyptian god Osiris According to Roca and Mellado,
“The oxyrhynchus fish is also of central importance in Plutarch’s account of Set’s fratricidal fight with Osiris in order to wrestle from him the throne of Egypt. After cutting Osiris ́s body into fourteen pieces he spread the pieces throughout Egypt. The phallus was thrown into the river and devoured by three fish”
Plutarch also tells us of a constellation of a ship related to Osiris:
“The Egyptians, in fact, have a tradition that Hermes had thin arms and big elbows, that Typhon was red in complexion, Horus white, and Osiris dark, as if they had been in their nature but mortal men. Moreover, they give to Osiris the title of general, and the title of pilot to Canopus, from whom they say that the star derives its name;
also that the vessel which the Greeks call Argo, in form like the ship of Osiris, has been set among the constellations in his honour, and its course lies not far from that of Orion and the Dog-star; of these the Egyptians believe that one is sacred to Horus and the other to Isis.”
At the time of telling this story to Khufu, Sneferu would be deceased and as such is linked to Osiris.

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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 398 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 336 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 338 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 305 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
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Oh...what a shame... 386 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
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Re: Oh...what a shame... 360 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 332 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 373 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
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Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 348 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
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Re: Oh...what a shame... 320 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 319 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
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Re: No pie for jacob 297 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
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LOL, now that was hilarious ! 133 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-20 05:51
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Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 132 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:39
Re: Pi vs Pudding 152 molder 04-Jan-20 11:03
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